Totti Says: “Pollice Verso”

By: chris | July 1st, 2007

police_verso.jpgPollice Verso:

So that Totti character is giving a diplomatic but none-too-subtle thumbs down to Roma’s current transfer situation. When asked about the acquisitions of Juan, Ahmed Barusso and Mauro Esposito (I have no clue if it’s a done deal or not – don’t ask), he said basically, “that’s nice, but where the hell is our Kaka?” Not really, but he said they are quality but will do little to vault them into the status of Milan, Inter and Manchester United, which is very true. Juan is a world-class player, no doubt, but he isn’t elite like Canna or Nesta (for the record Chivu has done nothing to show me he is an elite defender or will be, I honestly think he could be one of the best holding midfielders in the world but that’s kinda moot at this point). Barusso is a hugely talented player but his acquisition was with an eye to the future, not 2007. Unless Roma lands an Ederson, Rosinaldo or the like, he will go down as my favorite acquisition of the summer. That prospective defensive partnership of Daniele De Rossi and Barusso in 3 years has me drooling. It’ll be like trying to make way through the pass of Thermopylae. Esposito isn’t even on the team yet, but he’s boom or bust. It’ll take at least til November to evaluate him.

The funny part here is that Il Capitano is supposed to be a special consultant on transfers this summer. I guess by special consultant they actually meant “we’ll give you a call if we need to ask you to defer part of your contract next year,” because he obviously isn’t looking for players like they just acquired. That aside, Totti deserves better than this. He has sacrificed so much to stay loyal to his hometown club even though they aren’t building a superior squad around him. I’m in the camp that this team is being built for 08-09 and beyond, but if they don’t add to next year’s team with another world-class player they will have a difficult time in what could prove to be one of the most competitive campaigns in recent Serie A history. I’m banking on the improvement of De Rossi and Aquilaninho, and likely Philippe Mexes and Mirko Vucinic, but they could just use that little extra push to get them over the top.

For the record, I expect Mexes to be in that elite defender discussion within about 3 years. He has fantastic instincts and his tackling ability has improved dramatically over the last year. He was voted the great French hope of the year in 2000, so it’s not as though it would be unexpected. I’d give Philippe a €4.5m contract in a second to keep him in Rome.

Chivugate:

Now that everybody and their sister (that one’s for you, Zizou) has declared Christian Chivu a former Roma player, he still remains on the roster. Seeing that a deal has been imminent since the beginning of time, when man was created by one divine God, whose name was Papa Smurf, let’s look at this from another angle. What if the impossible was to happen? It has happened twice up north already this summer. From yesterday’s comments:

By the way, unlikely thought here. What are the chances Roma doesn’t like any of the Chivu offers and simply says “fuck the cap” and hands him a substantial extension offer? That’s been lingering in the back of my head for awhile now. They have to break the cap soon anyway, likely within 6-12 months (De Rossi, Mancini). Nearly impossible, but I’ve seen stranger.

As for the contract, provided Roma gets a quality offer (haven’t seen a legit one yet), I am fully in the sell Chivu camp. I don’t imagine an extension could happen, but look at Trez and Zebina at Juve. Chivu asked for more money, Trez gave a big ole “fuck you” to the owners in front of millions. Which one would you pick to leave with a gun to your head? This is Italia, stranger has happened.

I’d give this about a 1% chance, but Chivu has stated all along that his desire is to remain in Rome. What if Franco gets off his death bed and tells Rosella to get a clue and break the cap before Roma becomes another feeder team? Because we all know he had no problem splashing the cash – which is why Roma is in this position now. They don’t like the offers supposedly, and even though they’ve resigned to losing him, it’s not impossible to think there could be a stunning reversal. There are plenty of precedents. (Before you pillorize me, it was just an interesting though – don’t make too much of it)

Then there was this from Daniele Prade:

“While Barcelona do not pull out from the negotiations, we cannot consider Real Madrid.”

Feel free to go bathe with a toaster now.

The Sunday Finest:

I) So, uh, who wants to go play for Glasgow Rangers now?

II) File Francesco Modesto under almost definitely kinda maybe shoulda coulda woulda will be a Roma player next season. The rumored deal is €2.25m plus a loan of Aleandro Rosi or Stefano Okaka Chuka – though it may be a co-ownership deal. It’s becoming quite evident Rosi is out on either a loan or co-ownership deal, which is hard to argue considering there are currently 309 options on the right flank already on the squad. Okaka Chuka has been drawing significant interest from Reggina and Chievo on loan. I think he’s one of the special players who can contribute immediately, but I won’t argue against sending him on loan if he’ll never play. That factors above all right now.

Modesto would be an understudy and possible platoon partner to Max Tonetto, who is rapidly approaching Torino’s minimum age requirement (!). I would not be surprised to see him get some time as a backup CB or even RB on occasion. I was very skeptical when the pricetag was being reported at €6m, but this is a quality short-money purchase and gets my enthusiastic thumbs-up. Especially since recent French reports stated Jeremy Mathieu’s pricetag has risen to €7m. I think he’d be worth it for a team with a sizable budget, which Roma is not.

And for the record, I love tall defensive mids who can defend and are very good passers, which Mathieu is, aside from being a defender. Somebody forward that to Prade and Spalletti.

III) Speaking of Chievo, wasn’t Franco Semioli supposed to know where he would be playing next season last Monday? Awww fiddlesticks.

* – Our wordpress blogger extraordinaire program underlines misspelled words, which doesn’t detract me from fucking up 2nd grade grammar. Aside from that, fiddlesticks is apparently an official word. As is nincompoop (imagine my surprise when I spelled that correctly the first time AND it was a legit word). Extraordinaire is not, however. Neither is Smurf, which I wholeheartedly resent seeing as how we evolved from those cute little blue creatures.

IV) It looks like Pietro Leonardi is succeeding in swooping in upon Roma’s scouted targets. Reports state Giandomenico Mesto is likely headed to play in Udine. I really don’t mind, I’m getting really tired of typing Giandomenico. The news, however, is that Udinese will be sending Marco Motta in the other direction on at least a year-long loan. I have been a Motta fan for a long time and for some reason I’ve always felt he’d wind up in Rome. I really don’t know why, just a strange gut. Let’s hope it’s permanent and Roma can poach him off Reggina in a year or two.

* – Leonardi is reportedly sniffing around Modesto as well. I’d call him all sort of bad names but Roma has made a practice of poaching talent from under the noses of various clubs, especially the youth setups. He’s still a nuck-futter though.

V) More Vincenzo Montella back to Sampdoria rumors. As it’s been said, his contract will dictate the transaction. If either a) he renegotiates his salary or b) Roma agrees to pay part of the income, it could happen. The best part though was channel 4 reported Sampdoria’s other option was to try and purchase Giuseppe Rossi from ManU. I’m sorry, how are those two even remotely related? Would you like to lease a 1987 BMW 525 or buy a 2008 Audi TT outright? Hmmmmmmmm.

VI) Indirectly Roma related: Lazio have reportedly signed Mourad Meghni from Bologna, which could end their attempts at Ederson. Various outlets surmised Lazio were trying to get one of the other as they both have very similar games, the difference being that one is really good, young and talented and the other is not (welcome to the world of Lazio bashing, Mourad). Another difference being Meghni cost about 1/10th what Ederson will net. Rumor has it Valencia FC is very enamored, but that the two biggest suitors were Lazio and Roma. Roma probably can’t compete with Valencia financially, but they can offer a Rio-like feel in the dressing room. Advantage: Roma.

VII) Bordeaux resident looney Jean-Louis Triaud says that a deal regarding Julien Faubert could be announced tomorrow at the latest, and it looks like he’s headed to West Ham. If he’s standing by his absurd €15m pricetag, I bet this is how negotiations are going:

Auctioner: Our first item is a pair of panties confiscated from a prostitute.
Quagmire: Fifty bucks.
Auctioner: She had nine STDs.
Quagmire: Forty-five bucks.
Auctioner: And when we caught her she wet herself.
Quagmire: Fifty bucks.

VIII) Our resident superstud keeper prospect, Gianluca Curci, wants stability and some serious playing time from Parma next season. Finally, good call, my son. Good call.

IX) Massimo Cellini
is reporting Mauro Esposito will sign with Roma tomorrow. Anybody ready for a public denial from Roma?

It’s going to happen eventually. Don’t fight it, just let it happen.

X) By the way, where the hell is Juventus in all this Chivu talk? Weren’t they hot and heavy for him when he was still expected to sign an extension? They’re throwing around silly cash right now and looking for some defensive help. I guess Claudio Ranieri’s not a fan. Gabriel Milito’s better anyway. But I’d still much rather send him to Juve than Inter.

* – The GHD continues tomorrow with the South bracket.



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  • Jamil Batcha |  July 1st, 2007 at 2:06 pm

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    Actually, more to add on our man Christian. I have to say we’ve treated him terribly (the front office). They made the decision to sell without telling him a single word and kept him in the dark. The one thing besides our constant front office stupidity that bothers me is how we treat the players that fans love so much. It’s just sad. There is no transparency, no coherent decision making process, nothing. Look at the shirt saga now. How about the archaic asroma.it webpage? A joke.

    Bravo for Curci, it looks like he wants to go to Parma on loan. What a great move. Parma’s a beautiful little town (I love it), renowned for nurturing talent (Crespo, Gilardino, Thuram, Cannavaro, Buffon, Adriano etc etc etc). Look at Guiseppe Rossi this past season. Curci recognizes it, and said some great things that Channel4.com picked up. It’s clear he only wants to go on loan and is willing to stay at Roma as a backup. He states that most importantly, everything must be done with Roma and Spalletti and that’s most important. Another home grown kid. That’s another thing that makes this club so special.

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  • chris g |  July 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pm

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    Chivu’s world-class, I said he’s not elite. His positioning (especially), tackling and instincts pale in comparison to the top backs. I don’t think he has that mental je ne sais quoi that’s needed to vault him into the top tier. Barca wants him so that they don’t have to pay elite money for Milito or the like. Most teams don’t value him as highly as Roma fans. I mean, there is not even a whisper from the EPL and he’s a bargain by their standards.

    I’ve read a couple places that Roma may unveil a surprise “big-name” fairly soon. I don’t know if Ederson is considered the big name because I’m sure casual fans have no clue who he is, but they people in the know surely consider him such. The price would also dictate that, because there’s a reason he’s called the new Ronadlinho/Kaka/Juninho. You send in a €12.000.001 (I think that’s his buyout) offer yesterday and pray that Nice takes it.

    And who the hell was it that knocked that over the top pass in that video for Nice? The one from the second goal where he put it perfect to Ederson on the right side of the box with the outside of his left foot on the left wing? That was sick.

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  • Vlad |  July 1st, 2007 at 2:26 pm

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    Yea I noticed that too, that’s a crazy pass. I’m pretty sure It’s Cyril Rool, he plays on the left and has long hair, as in the video.

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  • Lorenzo |  July 1st, 2007 at 4:52 pm

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    Chris, I think Roma already unveiled a few surprise names this summer. Nobody imagined that Roma were going to swoop on Pit from the Swiss 2nd division, did they? Most of us were speechless when it happened. If that wasn’t a big enough surprise, they followed that up with Zaraneh (I know I’m butchering his name but thats only because I still can’t get over the shock value that we were able to sign this Iranian-Italian monster from Serie C with a record of 1 goal every 6 matches). Talk about surprises!!! And you expect more??? For the love of God, PLEASE NO MORE SURPRISES!!!!!

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  • Ethan |  July 1st, 2007 at 5:21 pm

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    Vlad, you forgot to add the nasty music disclaimer to that YouTube clip of Ederson! My ears are bleeding. Now I know that there’s only one thing worse then disco, and that’s disco with Portuguese lyrics.

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  • Vlad |  July 1st, 2007 at 7:27 pm

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    Ouch, my bad. I forgot to put QMS (questionable music selection). But if it makes you feel any better it’s not worse than french rap. Trust me.

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  • Jamil Batcha |  July 1st, 2007 at 8:06 pm

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    I don’t know Chris, I guess we have vastly different opinions about Chivu. When it comes to defending it’s pretty clear that most of teams in the EPL have no idea what they’re doing. If he’s not elite, then there is no way Barca and Real come knocking on the door. I think his timing and tackling are very good and that he’s very calm at the back. Can really work the ball out of defense. But, and this I do agree with you, he seems to have his worst games at the worst times… In big games. For 4.5 million a year, a player should be having bad games in matches of little importance if ever…

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  • chris g |  July 1st, 2007 at 8:25 pm

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    EPL teams have no clue? How did 3 make the CL semi-finals? EPL defenders close down faster than any league I’ve seen. Attackers there get zero space – which is prolly why Chivu is getting no love. His tackling is fine, it’s his positioning which can be very poor. Watch a tape of Canna or Nesta next to Chivu and you’ll see a huge difference in how they play off an attacker. They see the lines and the angles, it doesn’t appear Chivu has that same ability. I guess it’s more his off the ball defending that I question rather than when he’s defending on the ball.

    I know he can work the ball out of defense. He’s a fantastic player to link the defense and midfield/attack. That’s why I said I feel he’d be one of the best holding mids in the world. His actual defense is another question, those abilities are nowhere near elite.

    And Barca has made it clear they want Chivu because he will be cheaper than the elite guys like Milito. Chivu would sit on Real’s bench most likely behind Metzelder, Canna, Ramos and Alves or another signing for the games that really matter. I still don’t know where he’ll fit in there if he winds up in Madrid. But I do think his style fits La Liga best.

    I should also mention that I value Chivu 100x more as a LB than as a CB. I’d much rather have two Mexes type player patrolling the back than a libero, which Chivu is. Especially in the Spalletti system with two fullbacks who fly into the box often and Pizarro as the DM who stays back, both of which can really expose the back.

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  • Jamil Batcha |  July 1st, 2007 at 11:01 pm

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    I guess I should have been more specific. The first argument I will make is that I don’t think the CL is an accurate reflection of the strength of European Leagues. It’s just a tournament and any team in it on a good run can win it. If you go outside of the top 4, where’s the defending and tactics? It’s mostly still long ball, waiting for defenders to make mistakes in the air. It’s a fast, pacey game, with constant closing down (in the midfield too) and tackling , but not as much in the way of tactics, especially with regards to defending, as a whole. EPL defenders and midfielders also hack down players quite a bit more than their mainland European counterparts and it’s allowed, the nature of the game on the Isle. In Spain and Italy, one thing I have noticed (in addition to protecting players more, players flopping without contact) is that there is much more emphasis on timing the tackle and technical skills as a whole.

    Canna and Nesta are amongst the world’s best, but let’s not forget the bad years Canna had at Inter (then again, who doesn’t flop there?). Neither of them, it can be argued can make the transition from defense to attack like Chivu can. I don’t know if he’d be that graet of a holding midfielder, if he was Spalletti may have been more apt to try him out in that role, since Ferrari played very well this year when needed. Milito is still potentially damaged goods, I don’t know if I would compare him favorably with Chivu because I have not watched him play enough (meaning: at all). I think Chivu would be on the left at Real as Carlos is leaving for Fener. I think he can compete with everyone else you mentioned, and Canna isn’t getting any older and has had his share of howlers in Madrid… Not a year to remember, despite winning La Liga.

    I agree to an extent with your position regarding Spalletti’s formation. But is it me or does Chivu just not have the pace, I’m looking for in that position. He’s got a load of other attributes, but not that.

    One final point, and I guess this rings true for all of our players. Our inability to attract the best consistently and mismanagement, I think at times, has really hurt our European campaigns. None of these guys has advanced CL experience, save for this year, and I think that hurts everyone in big games. Guys like Canna and Nesta get these games every year… We don’t.

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  • Harish, India |  July 1st, 2007 at 11:34 pm

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    Well i think Chivu wud best play in a LB(left back) role…he started his career as left back if im not wrong..n it is only at roma tht he played central defense..he did well whenever he played left back fr us…remember the 3-1 n 6-2 wins against inter…n also the second leg against Lyon.

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  • chris g |  July 1st, 2007 at 11:42 pm

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    The EPL is certainly based more on athletic ability than technical skills, but that doesn’t make it any less difficult to create space to attack. And while the CL may not be an end-all determining factor, it’s still The Big One. That’s really all that matters.

    Agreed about Chivu’s attacking qualities, but I don’t want attackers out of the CB position, I want someone who sits at home and takes out anybody and everybody. Especially in Spaletti’s system, where there is so much emphasis on attack and so much vulnerability to the counter. A team with great speed can kill Roma (see: Old Trafford), and when Chivu pushes so far up from the central defense he leaves a big gap.

    Canna had a rough fall but dramatically improved in the spring, and a transition in leagues is never an easy task. My difference between Chivu and those two is their ability to read the offense ahead of time. I’ve watched a lot of “tape” of Chivu in the last few weeks and I’ve noticed he has very little ability to anticipate. Mexes, on the other hand, has an exceptional ability to do so. Look at how dominant the partnership of two destroying CBs in Canna and Nesta can be on the international level. Chivu’s certainly a great defender for what he does, but he isn’t in that mold.

    I give a lot of crap to the management, much of it for entertainment purposes, but they have done a good job of getting themselves out of debt (i.e. selling the training facilities and loaning it out yearly) after the hole Franco dug with ill-advised purchases. When they had the Mexes embargo they went out and poached some exceptional talent on the youth side, and I believe that’s where they’re building from. I understand from Totti and Spalletti’s viewpoints this can be frustrating, but it may be the right move in the long run. This current youth system is considered one of the best in the world. I have no problem allowing it to take over the core of the team in the near future. I agree the lack of big-game experience hurts Roma, in fact I wrote a post regarding that awhile ago being saved for a rainy day. if they can integrate world-class players with the kids, it’s a perfect world. For what it’s worth:

    Curci – A good keeper at worst
    Okaka Chuka – Predicted 20 goal scored and he’s only 17
    Grillo – Considered the next Nesta and was superb on loan
    Aquilani – We already know
    Rosi – Will be a very solid starter in Serie A
    Freddi – Will be a Serie A squad member at worst, still only 19

    There are others and then there’s Barusso, Faty, and Vucinic who are also young – not to mention De Rossi and Mexes. The acquisition of Juan should help more than people know, but there is a big wave of talent ready to be eased in within a couple years. That’s the direction of the club. The present is about remaining competitive and progressing as much as possible.

    Of course all rooting for the future and being patient is commonplace for me. As a die-hard Red Sox fan from birth it’s all I’ve ever known. What do I know.

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  • christian |  July 2nd, 2007 at 3:00 am

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    dont forget about the young cerci!! he was elite before breaking his leg 1 or two years ago i loved the fact that he was sold for that pocket change..
    i am so proud of being a roma fan mainly due to our youth setup but also the passion surrounding the club.
    chivu can go away he makes to many mistakes juan/ ferrari can take care.. chivu is a back not a CB he is fantastic on the back not the center.. i hope mesto is not to long gone and i still pray everyday for rosina.. he would be so great a player for us

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  • Tarek |  July 2nd, 2007 at 4:13 am

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    I’ve always thought that Chivu concedes too many free kicks right outside the 18 anyway. It’s tough to see him leave, but the fact that big money is pulling him away from a club he claims he loves really pisses me off.

    Out with the old, in with the new. Oh, and since the Faubert deal fell through, we should really try to sign Ederson.

    Oh how I wish Rosella and Prade read this website daily.

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  • george |  July 2nd, 2007 at 5:29 am

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    chivu will go to real and then will go to inter within 2 years, just like walter samuel.

    please roma, use the money in a smart way. this chance can be great next year but we need 3-4 very good players

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  • Jamil Batcha |  July 2nd, 2007 at 8:38 am

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    Chris, I’m with you in that the CL is the big pond for the big fish, but is it an accurate indicator of how good a certain league is, I don’t think so. I don’t know about Spalletti’s system and it being attack based. I see it being quite “flood” based. One of the big problems (and plusses) is that it’s very counter based. We’ve seen the boys packing it in defensively before only to break out with some scintillating passes and movement and get a goal. Of course it often involves wingers and deep lying midfielders, which can leave the center of defence exposed, but I think it also askes a lot of the central defenders to start attacks, like Mexes and Chivu, and that a John Terry/Sol Campbell like figure would not fit in without a figure like Chivu or Mexes who have some skill on the ball and can play it out of the back.

    This is why I feel Chivu is so important to the system. This all sounds great, but the problem is (and we got better at it last year compared to in 05-06) we can’t hold the ball and play keep away for a long time, like other more slow building teams do. We either beat a team with some quick play/counter or we lose posesssion (Pizarro who dallies around).

    I take Old Trafford as a night when everything that could go wrong, went wrong, in addition to Spalletti being tactically outsmarted, rather than Man U killing us with speed. I think overall, Lyon possess more pace than Man U. I mean we know C.Ronaldo is very very fast, but he’s not 11 men. I also read from many interviews that there was lots of inexperience that played into the loss too. Guys just didn’t know how to cope with being down 1,2,3-0 so early on (we had the goal advantage) and so they get out of their game plan and we all know the rest…

    I understand being patient, but given the situation with calciopoli last year we had the chance to make a big mark , not only in the market, but Serie A. I’m not advocating splashing the market right now with some Chelsea-esque purchases, but let’s show some ambition for the current time. It’s what’s going to attract elite players and get us some more money. Youth, look at Corvia, he was touted for big things, and we dumped him to Siena for pennies. How about Ferronetti? Ditto. They might come good in a few years but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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  • chris g |  July 2nd, 2007 at 9:22 am

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    I think we just have a different vision of a backline. I assume that these are professional athletes and that they should damn well be able to knock out a half-way mediocre ball to start up a counter-attack. Hell, I haven’t played in years and even I can still knock out some pretty decent passes. And these guys have the talent to do it for a living. If Pizarro is our playmaking counter-attack guy, then I fully expect any CB on the roster to be able to drop a short pass off to him. I have always been more of the idea that a defensive back is better off with 2 preditorial ball-winners at CB. You seem to be more in favor of a CB/Libero. Obviously it would be great to have one of each when a matchup dictates one or the other, but that’s not financially plausible. No biggie, just preference.

    Obviously OT was a one-time event. But they got killed by the speed on the counter in both legs, CR isn’t the only guy with plus plus speed on that team. United was taking shots before Roma could get back to defend. I’ll try to find the video that really illustrated it, but it was just an example. Luckily it’s not as much a factor in Serie A. And what I meant by the CL is it isn’t an indicator, but it’s the one tournament everybody wants to win. So it can’t be discounted.

    As far as the kids go, obviously not all will pan out – but there is still a huge amount of talent down there so judging by the law of averages, some will have to hit. And Ferronetti had a bad back injury, which is what derailed his career so much. I wholeheartedly agree there should be some money spent here and there to remain competitive, but the fact is we really don’t know Roma’s financial situation. I do think Rosella should be replaced, but it’s not as tough they fought relegation last season. They improved the financial situation, brought in Spalletti, they won the Coppa, got to the CL quarterfinals, and they had a successful season in Serie A. Inter’s amazing season really overshadows that, while they had a few missteps against minor teams (a lot can be attributed to lack of depth), Roma had a hell of a year. 2 years ago this would’ve been fantasy. I don’t think they deserve praise, but I won’t kill them either. That being said, yes, I do believe Prade and Rosella have the combined IQ of my left nut.

    Like I said, I have too much faith, because there’s not a damn thing I can do about any of it. Right? I don’t exactly have the pocket change to go out and buy the team.

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  • Corey |  July 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 am

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    I think its laughable the Faubert went to West Ham. He is a mercenary, he would show little passion for whatever team he plays for, and to be honest, he isnt that big a loss. Start looking else were Rossella

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  • Giovanni |  July 2nd, 2007 at 10:38 pm

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    I enjoy this blog chris but I have to say that I am with Jamil when it comes to Chivu. He is an elite player and those big clubs like Inter, Real and Barca are not interested in him solely because he will be cheaper than some other player whom you consider elite. He will come cheaper but certainly not because he is not elite. It will be because our management is incompetent. Chivu’s price is discounted because of his contract situation and Rosella has nobody to blame but herself in this regard. She failed to extend his contract six months ago and alienated him in the process.

    Secondly, Rosella does not deserve any credit for paying down debt and returning Roma to financial stability. That credit should go to Cesare Geronzi and Capitalia. It was Geronzi who convinced his friend Franco Sensi to buy Roma in the first place. Geronzi, then head of Banca di Roma, helped secure the financing of Sensi’s purchase of Roma. Geronzi has never failed to come to the aid Franco Sensi. When he became president of Capitalia, he gave Roma the cash to buy the players that helped win the scudetto as well as numerous letters of credit guaranteeing the money to help Roma renew its UEFA and Figc licenses.

    When we faced bankruptcy just a few years ago, it was Geronzi who helped restructure Roma’s debt through Capitalia by coming up with a plan to stabilize the club. Of course, he had to tell Franco that some personal assets would have to be sold to show some commitment to the project. I will credit Franco for selling off some of his real estate and stock holdings in order to help save Roma, but most of the praise should go to Geronzi. If not for him, Roma would have been bankrupt and relegated to God knows where because there was no way Roma had the financial stability to remain in Serie A. In addition, it is Geronzi’s hand picked staff which serves as a kind of oversight committee to insure Roma is operated responsibly, at least from a financial standpoint.

    I do not see what was so special about ‘loaning out’ the training facilities. That was a leaseback wherein Roma gave up temporary ownership of the property in exchange for a loan which the club pays on a monthly basis. It is not a mortgage per se, but when the loan is paid off, the property will revert back to the club. The money from the loan went to the Sensi family and not the club.

    What we have right now at Roma are two incompetent individuals in Rosella Sensi and Daniele Pradè, and they are, for all intents and purposes, one in the same. Pradè simply does whatever Rosella tells him. The guy is an absolute loser but Rosella needs somebody in that position that she can control. Rosella is there simply to help her family recoup the money ‘lost’ through the restructuring of the club, and, to re-acquire the 49% interest in Italpetroli which is being held in trust by Capitalia/UniCredito until the loans are paid off.

    Whether it is the lack of a primary sponsor or a technical sponsor, Kappa or Legea, Pepsi or Barilla, Fiuggi or Italease, to the firing of Carlo Zampa, to the self imposed salary cap which claim players like Chivu as casualties in pursuit of a philosophy of offsetting every market expenditure, I am afraid we fans, along with Totti, Spalletti and Conti, will continue to suffer under this managerial incompetence until this club is sold.

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  • chris g |  July 2nd, 2007 at 10:59 pm

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    I’ve never said they aren’t incompetent – they are. I look at the big picture. Whether they fucked it up or not doesn’t take away from the fact that the team has improved.

    I knew about Capitalia’s influence, but I didn’t know the extent. Thanks for filling in. I’ve said many times before, I don’t know what their exact financial situation is – just like most people outside the club. I do, however, know it is extraordinarily difficult to run a sport-based business. I spent years watching the every day in-and-outs of the athletic business and it can be very very complicated, so I tend to reserve judgment. I’ll save the bashing for now. They’ve improved on the pitch in the last two years and seem to be obtaining financial stability somewhat. To me that’s what matters. Sure, they could be better, but so could a lot of teams.

    If you go way back I’ve mentioned quite a few times the team will continue to stagnate until they’re sold, and that I’m waiting for that day. Until then, however, there’s nothing anyone can do about it and I just choose not to kill the management. Things just aren’t that horrible right now.

    I don’t rate Chivu the same as a lot of Roma fans, I never have, but a lot of people outside the fanbase share my views. Many Barca fans want nothing to do with him, and the same goes for Real fans. My point about elite defenders is they have the intangibles and they get it done when it absolutely matters. Chivu has failed in that aspect more than once. His Houdini acts knock him down for me.

    Thanks a lot for your point of view here, I really enjoyed it.

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  • Jamil Batcha |  July 3rd, 2007 at 10:01 am

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    Chris, the team has improved, but not because of Rosella and Prade, more like in spite of them. What Spalletti has worked is nothing short of a miracle, with the aid of Totti, Conti and the youth system. Totti and Conti will be lifers. But how many youth players will be sacrificed? What happens if/when Spalletti leaves? There are rumors he was thinking about quitting a while back. Will we have another merry go round? Luciano is not asking for the world with regards to transfers. He’s being specific, looking at young targets with prices that are not too high…yet

    You make the point that running a sport-based business is difficult, as is running any business or something worth while, totally true. The problem with Roma is that’s its a very tough job, and we have incompetancy at the highest levels. The face of our beloved club is incompetancy. Look at who’s on TV and giving interviews. It’s not Conti or anyone like that. It’s Rosella and Prade. Look who deals with contracts and alienates players like Chivu. It’s the gruesome twosome again. Giovanni has already stated in depth their relationship, and I’m not going to go any further…

    Now let’s forget transfers for a minute. I’ve been ranting about this for a while in some forums with other Roma fans, and now I’ll do it here. Look at the Roma website. Do you see anything in English? Is it really functional? How about the site in Chinese? I have no idea when that was last updated. How about ticket sales? Have you tried purchasing tickets for Roma matches? It can be a nightmare. Let’s compare that to hmm… Milan and Inter. It’s so easy its ridiculous. As for websites, Napoli and Parma have better ones than Roma. You’ve already covered marketing (the players, team etc), so I won’t repeat the jersey saga. Also it’s next to impossible to purchase a variety of new Roma gear outside of Italy/England. I’ve tried in China, Singapore and the US. Funny other clubs seem to be able to sell their stuff.

    Our ratings of Chivu may be different, true but lots of people outside of the Roma fanbase will have never heard of Mexes (or know little about him), surely Domenech didn’t think enough of our Phillipe to even call him up for WC 2006. Like many, Barca fans won’t know much about him because they will not have watched him in and out like we have (just like I haven’t watched.. hmm. Marquez day in day out, like they have). What will they remember the most? Probably the nightmare at OT, funny how people forget how magnificent the squad were in Lyon. As for Real fans, they’ve never really embraced a defender, save for Hierro, who was a homegrown legend, discarded terribly, a real shame. I don’t know where Chivu will fit in at Inter. At CB, they’ve got Cordoba, who’s solid, Materrazzi who had a monster season, and Samuel at the number 3 spot. At LB, unless Grosso goes, they have Maicon and Grosso. So we’re talking bench unless he pushes out an established starter. That’s just a clash of egos waiting to happen (I have no problem with that, it’ll be classic Inter).

    As for Chivu failing more than once on the big stage, and I hate to say it because I love the man, look at Totti. He’s maturing (finally), but he was marked out in both matches by Man Utd (our biggest European Match in recent times), and aside from this year, has never really been a force in Continental Football. You said the best players show up on the big occasion and outside of Roma, pretty much everyone thinks the same about our number 10…

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  • chris g |  July 3rd, 2007 at 10:49 am

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    I’m not sure you understood what I said at all.

    I have never lauded their decision making (in fact just the opposite), but I’m not going to sit here and say they’re running the team into the ground, because they aren’t. You’re just a fan and so am I. Neither one of us matters whatsoever so I’m not going to sit here and get mad at something I can’t change.

    Look, I work on an intimate level with big sporting business everyday and I grew up on it. More and more I’ve come to realize that fans have no clue what is really going on behind the scenes and the majority of the media is crap. You can choose to believe that fact or not, but I reserve judgement when I don’t have the full story. What’s so wrong with that?

    It’s a good topic but I’m moving on. I’d love to see things change, but until then we’re just going to be butting head on a moot topic. We can’t change a damn thing, therefore I say Forza Roma instead of bashing the management. Personal choice.

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  • Jamil Batcha |  July 3rd, 2007 at 11:17 am

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    Chris, I agree. We’re definitely butting heads and most fans and the media have no idea what’s going on. What fans and media do know is that our beloved Roma, a supposed “big club” in Italy and a “major” one in Europe still has a terrible website, doesn’t really sell/market shirts internationally, and fans are often left behind when trying to buy tickets (unless they have the know how). All of this is transparent and enough info to bash the management of our club…

    You’re right it’s pointless to get mad at something you can’t change, but I can’t really help it. But why not say Forza Roma, and bash management? The curva sud seems to do it on a weekly (or daily if you count trigoria) basis.

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  • chris g |  July 3rd, 2007 at 12:35 pm

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    I’ve never maintained there isn’t enough info to bash the management, I’ve always thrown veiled and not-so-veiled shots at them and I fully know Daniele and Rosella have a collective IQ of 7. I just choose not to vent my frustration in the same manner. I go with the positive aspect of things , namely the footballing. Which I feel is what really matters and why I watch and follow the club, not the sponsor (or lack thereof) or the jerseys or the finances. The club has done well on the pitch and that’s what I focus on. Obviously they could do better but I can’t change it and being pissed about will only get me angry. I choose not to be. After all, this is only a sport.

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  • chris g |  July 3rd, 2007 at 12:38 pm

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    By the way, I’m pretty sure we concur on quite a bit of the situation, just view it differently. For us to amass this much of an argument while teetering on a very thin line is superb.

    Well done. Well done.

    (Except for Chivu, but that’s moot now and we can all hop on the lovey-dovey Juan bandwagon)

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  • chris g |  July 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 pm

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    By the way by the way, Rosella just stated that all Chivu money will be put back into the mercato.

    I think that’s a huge step (if it happens, but she has been spending significant money this summer already). We can all agree to applaud on that, yes?

    Yes, she is incompetent. But she didn’t want this job in the first place, she did it for her father, and there has been at least some progress from her end. Maybe just a little?

    That brings her IQ up to 9.

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