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Thanks a lot for the above pic. I've saved it and I'll keep it forever!

Grazie Roma!!

Totti has two weeks to rest and heal up his bum cheek. Hope DDR is fine (of course he is, but he might end up playing 180min this week).

wtf is lobont doing today.. 

Someone please tell me the game has already started and Roma is playing. 6 minutes up and I really have no clue what I am watching.

2-0 at half time ;)

And Rosi is a beast, and so is everyone else.

DAJE ROMAAA

Stream?

official, Simplicio and Bojan in:

ROMA (4-3-3): 1 Lobont; 87 Rosi, 29 Burdisso, 5 Heinze, 3 Jose’ Angel; 15 Pjanic, 16 De Rossi, 30 Simplicio; 14 Bojan, 10 Totti, 9 Osvaldo. A disp.: 18 Curci, 44 Kjaer, 2 Cicinho, 77 Cassetti, 7 Pizarro, 31 Borini, 22 Borriello. All.: Luis Enrique

ATALANTA (4-4-1-1): 47
Consigli; 25 Masiello, 4 Capelli, 5 Manfredini,  13 Peluso; 7 Schelotto,
21 Cigarini, 33 Brighi, 22 Padoin; 11 Moralez; 19 Denis. A disp.: 78 Frezzolini, 6 Bellini, 77 Raimondi, 26 Caserta, 10 Bonaventura, 38 Gabbiadini, 90 Tiribocchi.  All.: Colantuono.

Odds Brighi scores against us today?

Still no Stekelenburg! And why Simplicio? I prefer Pizarro over him

Stekelenburg wanted to go using a Cech type headgear. Seems like Holland will play him anyway so LE probably thinking in player's best interest.

Interesting. Let's see what Simplicio can do from the start. Simone injury?

Simone out because of injury, so is Gago, Lamela and Greco.

Stek, Juan and Taddei were not listed either, perhaps because of technical choices.

http://football-italia.net/oct...

I guess this is the first step towards redemption if any can be granted to an ex-goatfucker :)

My stance towards Behrami is now neutral.

eeerhm has anyone noticed that if we win today, we'll be joint leader for a day with Juve/Udine with 8 points? (unless Napoli win in Inter which is rather unlikely seeing Ranieri's Inter is 1000x better as Gasperini's)

you know what this means right? I'll tell you what: SCUDETTO
yea there I said it, fuck me, it's a crazy serie A season up until now, it can get a whole lot crazier from now on, enjoy the ride chumps

eeerhm has anyone noticed that if we lose the sky is falling and the world is ending? How very Roma, either Scudetto or relegation, never something in between ;)

Alright, late start on this but whatever. Didn't edit this time so there might be possible grammar/spelling errors along with equally possible translational blunders.

Luis Enrique press conference for Atalanta.

Expectations for Atalanta?
Let's hope to play a beautiful match, as you said against the best club at the moment. They are a difficult club, strong, who can play with short passing and are fast on the break with a lot of movement. I'm concerned with their fitness condition, it's very important. They will be difficult for us. We come home after our first away win and a week of intense training, I'm very much interested in finding a symbolic relationship with the supporters. We know they have supported us well in the Olimpico, but we haven't been able to do anything. We'll try to make it happen tomorrow.

Problems with Bojan?
No, I'm happy to have him at my disposal like everyone else. But they must understand that I need to see hunger to win and improve everyday. I'm in a good situation because all of my attackers are in this mindset. There's no problem with Bojan.

Is Stekelenburg ready?
He trained for most of the week, is in the squad and can play. He's available, and tomorrow I'll make my choice.

Allegri says that the champions will be who concede the fewest goals. Do you agree?
It was like that last year in Italy. Normally the club that wins has to defend well and concede little, but also have the ability to score. If a balance between defense and offense is found, you have a characteristic of a winning club.

What characteristics does Pizarro give to the midfield?
He gives me love, sympathy and everything! (smiles) He's a good player, we all know that. He's gifted technically, because of his experience he has no fear and he can play in both the long and short passing style. He can dribble, attacks the opponents. I'm glad you asked me about him and I'm glad he's here and I still want more. From Pizarro and everyone else.

How far are we in the process of assimilating Roma under your ideas of football? Can you give us a percentage?
I don't know, I can't tell. I think there is a big road to grow and I'm still missing a lot. But I see great improvement and a clear desire from the players to learn their new roles. I'm optimistic because I see improvement, but I don't know any percentage.

Are you at 50%?
I don't know.

Do you have regular starters or do you only base your selection on what you see in training?
No, performance matters a lot. I can make one decision on Monday but change it on Tuesday or Wednesday. If there is hunger and desire then they are all important players. I don't make a distinction between starters or reserves, I need the whole group. Everyone has a chance.

Pjanic is big in the media, but it looks like he is held back. Can it be a problem with his role? Are you thinking of changing his position?
I don't think it's a tactical problem. I think it's because he's 21 years old, arrived three weeks ago and does not speak Italian, but a little English and French. But he's lacking the special condition to find his best. I'm very happy he's settling in Roma better. He has a lot of quality, but we have to work with him, players are not robots, but people who have to live first and have their mind in a normal situation such as finding a place to live, etc. I'm satisfied with his performance and I expect even more from him. I think he can create a good synergy with our attackers.

Has Juan improved?
He's better and I'm happy for him, because it's most important for the player to return to work with the rest of the squad, but I think he's still lacking in his fitness. He's working hard to get there but I think it'll take a little longer.

I noticed that against Parma, Roma were more inclined to play vertically, is the attitude of the player's changing?
That's my job, I don't think you can get where you want to be in a straight path. There are curves in the way. It's my job, to try to find the best place for all of the players. I'm not changing my thoughts on how I want us to play but there are so many other things I can do to do my best at coaching.

How is Gago? Heinze & Scarface have looked convincing together, can they be considered the starters?
Gago got an injury to his calf and it's impossible for him to play tomorrow, as he did not train all week. He got injured two matches ago. Nico Burdisso, Simon Kjaer, Gabi Heinze & Marco Cassetti, they can all play tomorrow, we'll see.

Atalanta plays at a very high tempo, will you try to put their system to sleep or impose your own tempo?
No, not to sleep. We'll be faster and more direct, and we'll be better. I make a small request to the tifosi, for their 100% support. I think we're lacking a little confidence in our work. We already feel the incredible support from the tifosi, but we might need a little more. It won't be easy to play against a club that will be behind the ball, which is the best kind at the moment to earn results. It will be difficult to defend their counter-attack from the right with Schelotto, Denis and even their midfield. It won't be easy. We'll try to find a quick tempo, but it's not easy.

Do you want a younger squad?
We want a squad that attacks, without conceding anything to the opponent. It's very simple what we want. Mark tightly, press high up the pitch, play a style that the supporters of Roma will like. We'll try to do this, and if we can't it's because we have another squad in front of us, not because we don't want to.

After falling behind, Lamela is back in training. How is he? Was there a hurry to bring him back? What about De Rossi? Who will be his replacement if he can't play?
There was no hurry with Lamela, it's a particular thing that sometimes happens when a player wants to be part of the group. He works out of the group and hopes to recover soon. Daniele suffered minor injuries and took one day off. He trained hard today [Friday] and is available to play. His replacement? Today we trained with Viviani & Matteo Ricci ['94 born Primavera player] because I like having the opportunity to see them. If Daniele didn't train, I'd find a solution. Viviani is always there, as is Matteo Ricci. Verre is with la Nazionale.

Summarizing the rest because it's 4:30am and I will not risk missing the match. It's my fault anyway.

In Parma, Roma struggled near the end again. Is it a fitness problem or something else?
There is no physical problem, I see our performance every day and in every match. The situation is more mental and happened twice when we were trying to keep a result and we did not have the confidence to keep going. We still had the fear of losing the ball and suffering on the counter, which is one of the best qualities of Italian clubs. I have to convince the players not to change anything. For me it's better to defend with the ball in the opponent's half while attacking their goal. This is my goal. If we can do it for 60 minutes now, we can do it for 90. You get more tired chasing the ball than holding on to it.

Roma has been vulnerable to a lot of midfielders, such as Cossu, Sneijder & Brienza. Will there be special attention to Moralez?
It's normal in Spain, too, to have dangerous midfielders. The beauty of football is that you can say 'mark Moralez' but then he can have quality and do something special anyway. Sometimes you can't blame anyone, it's the beauty of football [mentioned some crap about Messi].

The goal is to play well and win at the Olimpico. We'll have to be very strong to give joy to the tifosi. This is the goal. I have no doubt that after we get there we'll start scoring more and more. For now I want to win against a strong side like Atalanta.

Are you worried about Stekelenburg and him being called up for the international break?
It's always like this when players get called up to their national teams. Club managers don't like the players being away. If I were a national team manager, I'd try to find out any problems. It's important for the players to play for their country, Stekelenburg can do his best when there are no problems here and when he has to go represent Holland.

Thanks very much for this Masonio. Brilliant for people like me who can't speak Italian :)

BTW, this is my last videogame-related derailment for a while, promise.

FIFA custom chants to make your game sound a little more Curva Sud:

http://ultimatefifa.com/2010/r...

For Xbox, you can download them then burn to a disc.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Forza Roma. ;)

What chants do they provide?

Nick 'em and give a listen. They're super-tiny MP3 files.

So they don't take up huge download limits?

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Cassetti here in a debate up until now
the guy played 32 games last season and now barely gets on the bench

LE prefers Perrotta and even Rosi (who did a decent job against Parma to be fair to him). I'd rather give Rosi another go than Okaka who got way to many chances now to break into the first team
the whole LE 4 3 3 thing suits Rosi and I still believe he can be a good (not great) option for the RB aka RWB role: young, dynamic and Roman

I know LE sees a CB in Cassetti but he has 4 (5 including DDR) players before him on the roster on that position, I fear his days are numbered. Expect a return to Lecce in january or june, I'll gladly wish him all the best cauz of his profesionalism on/off the pitch and ofcourse the derby goal 2 seasons ago

Well lets put it this way - You'd want Cassetti as a CB in your line up or you'd want a CB Cassetti sitting somewhere in his house ?

I'd want a CB Cassetti sitting home.  Gimme a RB cassetti and I am fine but not a CB and LE is fucking sure Cassetti is a CB.   Marco himself doesn't believe he is a CB , fuck that it takes him a lot to realize he is a RB also yet the man puts his heart and soul in RB  and that's more than enough.  Playing him as CB is asking for too much from him.

it worked with Panucci but ofcourse Panu > Cass

I admire Cassetti but he doesn't have a big say anymore in this team, he's one of the oldest and LE wants a high playing RB (I know Perrotta is as old as Cassetti and LE plays him there but the two are nowhere near as comparible, Perrotta being a mid originally and being used to make runs forward). That said, i don't want to see Perrotta anymore on the RB, Cici/Rosi will do fine until january

and especially no Cassetti at CB, unless it's a real emergency situation like 4 of Roma's CB get injured at sime time during training. Seeing this IS Roma and never a dull moment, expect Cassetti at CB one of these weeks for sure with Kjaer, Juan, Burdi, Heinze all sidelined

Better Cassetti at 5th CB (if all of Ketchup, Scarface, Hoowan & iKjaer are healthy) than Burdissino or Loria (3rd choice at Bologna).

A replacement for right back should have been a priority. Until that day comes, Cassetti should start half of our games in that position. I wish we would use Cassetti/Burdisso-Kjaer/Burdisso-Juan-Angel in the future.

Sprinkle in a bit of Rosi, just to make people happy.

ladies and gents, i now give you: La Liga Defence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

i take nothing away from Messi, and the player he is, but that's laughable defending. he has to leave barca and spain if he wants a challenge on the weekends. and i love when you read all the comments from the barca fans, they're all so amazed by the "golazo" ahaha

The haters out there said the exact same thing about Totti. He needed to leave Roma if he want to achieve better things. He's a coward for being afraid to leave Roma. He doesn't have the guts to take new challenge, etc etc.

Just to put all you said in perspective. Messi loves Barca, he's indebted to Barca, he plays well for Barca and Barca are winning things. If that's Totti and Roma we're talking 8 years ago, where EPL were hyped to be the best league in the world, would you encourage Totti to move out?

I won't.

you're such an idiot..did i say, or indicate Totti should have left italy because the defense is too lax? did i say Messi was too afraid to leave barcellona? have i proven how silly the neat perspective you gave me was?

I want Messi to leave barca so we can see if it's for real, see if he can play against real defending 38 times a year. kinda like..what's his name..Maradona, ya that's it!!!

not only did he win trophies, but he did it against the most fearsome defenders in all of history!!! nevermind italian defenders, these were defenders like Gentile or Scirea.

if italy had terrible defense, and Totti was scoring 100 goals a season, and england say was the hardest league to score in, would i want Totti to leave? ABSOLUTELY NOT! but i could understand non-Roma fans wanting to see him in a tougher league.

and weren't you the same guy who said Totti never deserved the 06 ballon d'or?!? (yes, i do have a good memory)

Wow you don't have to go there.  Fact is you say, Serie A teams have won 2 times in the last 5 years, yet you don't apply the same rules to La Liga.  

You love Totti (as i do) because he's a one team guy.  Yet you say Messi should leave to "Prove" his greatness.

Fact is La Liga has a better showing in Europe than Serie A and more CL Cups.  So to follow your logic it's a better league.

By your same logic again Totti isn't great because he never "proved it" outside of Roma.

Sorry michele I disagree with your opinion but more so i disagree with your logic.

At any rate like I said, his strike rate outside of La Liga is still the second highest EVER.

Fact is to be considered a G.O.A.T. he needs to win a WC with Argentina.  But club level he has nothing to prove.

It's like saying that Jeter or Brady need to be traded to prove anything.

The la liga isn't a better league it just TWO giant football teams who can buy anyone they want. Every year their strangle hold gets tighter !

you're misunderstanding me, my logic is this, quite simply.

world cups, CL aside. 1000 goals in Italy, or a 1000 goals in spain. what would impress me more? Italy.

i take nothing away from messi. he's already considered one of the greats and rightly so. but THE GREATEST STRIKER, like Maradona great, Pele great,

i think he has to do two things, a)win a world cup and more personally b) play in a league that is more defensively challenging.

Totti proved himself in the most defensive minded league(207 times on teams that weren't quite Barca), week in, week out. Messi hasn't. he's scored in Champions league finals and all that yes i know,

but the marauding Maradona-esque runs (the ones that people have to compared him to Maradona after seeing) have only come in La Liga against at times incompetent and afraid defenders. and i think if he really wants to elevate his stature to THE best of all time(as so many already call him), he must play in a harder league.

now you could say Pele never left Brazil, but if Messi can do what Pele did in the world cup(s) then he might not have to leave spain lol

and you are also misquoting me. my logic never stated nor indicated what league was better(except defensively speaking). just because Barca come from spain doesn't mean la liga is the best league. in fact it's quite the opposite. it's a two team league, with sometimes a 25 point gap between 2nd and 3rd. Barca just happen to be better than any italian team atm. on paper at least.

to be fair to Messi, he does score a lot in CL too against teams like Shaktar, Arsenal, ManU and so on

dunno how well he did against Inter and Milan but he was CL top scorer for last 2 (or even 3?) editions now

Arsenal isn't much of a defensive team to begin with.....

That's my point. There's no such thing as a perfect player and club. All of them have weaknesses, so it's not wise to judge them on their lowest point without considering their peaks.

ps: I'm surrounded by people with many backgrounds. Some are diehard EPL lovers just because they're overexposed to it (funnily my English friends seem way more objective than them about other leagues), some are Spanish, who keep boasting over their achievement in recent years, some are Brazilian, who think Pele is a prophet (some others dislike him), etc. It's nice when we talk things objectively, though it's hard as everyone's got a little bias in them. 

However, I just can't help but notice some things are always repeated again and again, for example, when claiming a league / player is superior to others, etc. Some of the things you mentioned are rather typical, so I just want to let you know there are counter-arguments out there. I can sit here and type until my fingers get sore but I won't, I'll leave that to the blind EPL lovers (they usually hate Serie A most - be prepared!). Oh, another note: They're usually not English! I know Australians, Indonesians and Hongkong people who love EPL to death and will bash Serie A with 1,001 reasons. My English friends seem to respect Roma a lot more than them. And one of them even rates Totti very highly. 

I must admit EPL is my least favourite league, and can't respect them as much as they respect Roma and Totti. All of this defense I'm using to support EPL can easily be turned as points to attack EPL easily. So you see, this kind of talks tend to be long winded and endless.

I'm just happy we can keep it civilised as afterall we're both fellow Romanista talking about other things. In conclusion, it's ok to disagree. We don't all have to agree on one thing or force everyone to agree with us. We're not communist or christians.

Serie A has more tactically organized and tougher defense than La Liga. fuck your hands across the world bullshit, are you really going to tell me that's a false fact?

Messi V Italian Catenaccio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

(stop making me post videos of other teams in the champs league please and thank you)

Did you read my comments? Great players and teams need consistency, not one-offs. Inter are gone now. And he may not play well against Italian teams, but our clubs never do too well against English clubs either. In recent years EPL clubs have problems with La Liga clubs (see how Atletico destroyed several EPL Clubs in Europa cup 2-3 years ago, Barca killed Man Utd), La Liga clubs have problems with Serie A clubs (Barca vs Inter) and Serie A clubs have problems against EPL clubs (Milan vs Tottenham, Roma vs Man Utd). Of course there are exceptions, but my point is there's such thing as a perfect player and club. All of them have weaknesses, so it's not wise to judge them on their lowest point without considering their peaks.

Fuck the world? That's great, I almost thought we can have some reasonable conversation but apparently some fans were indeed way too defensive to see past their goggles. You're sounding a lot like the italian version of ESPN commentators.

edit: there's NO such thing

Right on.  We'll just have to agree to disagree.  For me he isn't great because he's bigger, faster, stronger, more technical than say CR.  He plays a different game.

here's a vid for all those interested in seeing Messi.  When i watch it all i think is absolute Magic.  (Not trying to prove anything Michele just love the vid.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?a...

you do see my point though don't you?

i mean that's part of why we love Totti so much, because he's a goal scoring legend in the most difficult league to score goals in. and that's putting aside the beautiful passing.

it's just when i see messi score a goal like that, where two defenders are SO afraid they practically give him the goal, i have to ask myself..how would he do in italy? i think, it would be much more difficult for him. as a)they would be much, much more physical with him and b)tactically the teams are more organized.

it's not an insane question really! lol

your answer is: it would be the same, same goal same runs everything.

mine: not so much

I agree those 2 defenders are below average, but we may have to disagree on everything else.

It's easy to laugh at them, but the english and spanish also laugh at our so called 'tough defense' getting burnt by tottenham and the likes. 

You can say Totti has scored a lot in Serie A, but playing the devil's advocate here, he hasn't proved a lot in Europe. If it's about the weak Roma team he's surrounded by, he doesn't really prove the doubters wrong on international stage either.

Don't get me wrong, he did well in Euro 2000 and could've done well in 2006 where he was at his peak (not physically, but mentally), but he didn't do as well for Italy as for Roma, that's fact. 

If you think Totti does as well for Azzuri as he does for Roma, you're playing down the Roma-Totti.

In a sense,, but he did well in World Cups. C.Ronaldo does well in 'conquering' EPL and La Liga, but he doesn't do well in international stage, for similar reason Totti couldn't do well in Europe it seems (surrounded by inferior players). 

All players have weaknesses that can be used against them. Maradona is a junkie (yet still he's the greatest ever in my opinion), Garrincha was a bad boy (but remains one of the most underrated player ever), Pele failed to prove himself in Europe as well (but did well at WCs), C. Ronaldo does well in 'conquering' EPL and La Liga, but doesn't do well in international stage, proly for a similar reason Totti couldn't do well in Europe - surrounded by average players (and personally I don't like him, but still reckon he's an awesome player).

Of course, some outside Italy also respect Totti, but some don't. And whatever reasons you may have against Messi can be used against Totti. 

"could've done well in 2006"

LMAO that's why i don't want to discuss things with you. DID you even watch that tournament!?!?!?! my word son...just stick to liking comments. facts and distributing them isn't your forte.

how you can call yourself a Totti fan and say something like that is just ridiculous. ask a juventino, a milanista, they'll all say Totti had the tournament of his career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

He did well, but far from his best, that's what I meant. If you think he did well compared to his Roma standard you're simply underestimating him.

He was not the tournament's best player, far from it (Cannavaro and Buffon or even Pirlo were more influential). And individually he performed better in Euro 2000 where he won man of the match in 2 matches.

Juventino and Milanista can say Totti had a tournament of his career, because he didn't have that many great tournaments. Again, everything is of course compared to his club form.

Jesus Christ, France was on one leg in that tourny so he'd only be rated poorly by his own standards. No other player than Totti would have even been considered to call-up for the WC if they had that serious of an injury. Lippi: There is no substitute for Francesco Totti.

I won't take anything seriously from now on from that person.

Yeah of course he's rated poorly by his own standard, that's what I kept saying (in case you didn't read the previous posts).

Yup Totti had the most assists in 06 and was named in the tournament's best 11. Totti will always be the best for me.

I do understand where you are coming from about the Messi thing. I'm a huge Messi fan, the guy is at the top of the game right now, there is no denying that. He always steps up when playing the big games(UCL games can verify that), but the way he waltz past defenders in La Liga like they just aren't there week in week out is just not something I believe he could produce every week playing against the mid/bottom cubs in Serie A who will put 10 men behind the ball and will not be afraid to take him down.

He has the second best goals to appearance record in Europe.  He makes every defense look silly, not just La Liga.  He could go to the MLS and still have nothing to prove where Club football is concerned.  Now Argentina that's a different story.

disagree on the club football part.

if he wants to become the "best"(as so many of his fans call him) he needs to leave barca. i have goltv, so i do see a lot of barcelona games and the aforementioned goal isn't just a rare case.

these spanish teams that go up against them try and park the bus, play with 10 behind the ball, and since they're incompetent defenders, it's basically sunday-possession-practice time. and the results are usually 5-6-7 nothing routings, games where messi receives the ball at will and is allowed to dribble like he's the pope.

barca v intermourinho over the two legs is a prime example. messi was faced that time with a real Catenaccio-team and he disappeared.

There's no such thing as the perfect team. Of course picking Barca at their defeat is easy, but even the great Real, Milan, or even Brazil can lose. It's normal.

Intermou is gone now, but Barca remains and even improve a lot after that. To be great you can't just win in one season, you must be at the top for a long time. That's why Milan of the early 90s were considered great, because they were at the top for a while. And this Barca surely isn't a pushover, they won 3 Champions League in the last 6 years.

Say what you want, but if Roma achieve the same achievement, with the same strategy, you'd be gloating all over the place about how our club is the greatest ever.

But of course I know it's hard to be objective.

i'm not saying anything bad about barca and how they win, i don't care quite frankly.

i'm talking about messi and "these" goals. the ones where he manages to fake out 2 defenders in the same go, something that i don't think would happen in italy.

I wouldnt be so sure.  Remember Menez skipping past 2-3 defenders?  You would probably remember more if it was not for his horrible finishing.  

there was a reason why people were calling him the next zidane, but finishing is the half the game. also consistency..
he certainly didn't do it consistently or against teams other than udinese.

The point I was trying to make was that if Menez could skip past defenders with ease, I'm sure Messi could do that as well in this league.  That is all I have to say, I will not talk of Messi anymore.

he certainly could get past a few players, im not saying he couldn't. but could he do the maradona and dribble through all of Italy, no. at least i don't think so.

and there's a difference between skipping past one or two on the side of the pitch(against only udinese), and the above example where you can apparently fake out two fullbacks with one head jerk.

Finally someone who hasn't been brainwashed into thinking messi can dribble past anyone with ease. I'd think he would find it hard to get past a stubborn english/italian defense

Why does everyone act as though the CL doesn't exist. He dribbles past everyone.

wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

he may score, but against Catenaccio, Maradona is no where to be seen.

you need to know weezey, i'm a pretty smart guy and not just a mindless ultra. there's a reason why i say things, and i usually have evidence to back it up.

Again you're just picking one of his worst performances. All players have weaknesses. There were many matches when Totti, Zidane and Maradona sucked too.
That boy is still growing, he hasn't reached his peak yet.

And while you may simply say "Messi sucks against catenaccio", the same can be said about us when facing English opponents. 

Im sure if he can get through the Madrids, Utd, etc, etc,etc, Im sure he could get through teams like inter,milan,roma,etc etc etc

It's true he has more space but the same amount of time in La Liga. 

As a club footballer he is never shut down, on of the most consistant footballers regardless of the competition.  it's not like he's putting in one touchers against anyone like say Rooney.  He gets the ball with one touch control, he dribbles around world class defenders and shitty ones alike and scores goals.  Be it bottom feeders in la Liga or in Champions league finals.

We don't have to go back and forth about it because all you have to do is look up the results.  He's been a regular first teamer for 5 years and he has 4 La Liga cups and 3 European ones.  Like I said, I don't even really see the arguments.  It's like putting up a youtube of a scrub that Paquioa knocks out and saying it's proof he sucks.  I don't get it.

I bet you if Roma achieve what Barca achieve, with the same exact strategy and goals, he won't be saying anything bad. Objectivity is a hard thing.

man.

ALL i'm saying is Messi wouldn't score gols like that, or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... in italy.

do you HONESTLY disagree?

or do you think a player like Burdisso or Mexes would break his little legs 5 minutes in.

would he score? yes. a lot? probably. but shitty little pylon goals like that(where all five foot nothing of him is tossing off defenders), i would think not. at the very least not as often.

How could you even celebrate after that? I would be too ashamed and embarrassed for the defenders...

Im simply just curious, do not try and bash me on this...If  seria a supposedly have the best defensive teams in europe, why dont seria teams succed in europe and are easily beaten by weak opponents, Ex)Roma,inter,ac milan?

Because they all have their Serie A goggles when judging. No one can be entirely neutral. The english said their league is the best. The spanish as well and italians are no exception.

One word: Wingers.
The teams from england and spain deploy a wide midfield and most Italians team don't do that, they have a compact midfield and play a very offensive type of football and that allows most teams to just keep pressing and eventually score a few. Tactics plays a massive part. Italians team don't like to play fast paced football whereas your Barcas,Arsenals,Chelseas, etc do.

when you say succeed what do you mean?

two italians teams have won the CL in the past 5 years...and when you say "easily beaten",  is it just the slovan v Roma ties your thinking of? lol

No i thinking of inter getting demolished by schalke, Roma by Shakhtar, and Milan losing to Tottenham. And overall other then JM inter it seems there is a downfall in sucess of italian teams in europe,along with Europa league 

No i mean Inter losing the shalke, roma to shakthtar, and milan to tottenham....lol

Two italian teams won the CL in the past 5 years.

One barca team won the CL THRICE in the past 6 years.

It's true Italian teams play narrow and struggle with width and pace.  (see Milan vs. Spurs last year) still as 97 says, it's cups people remember and Italy do just fine there.

Florenzi played full game for Crotone today and Steffano Pettinari also started and scored!

So, confession time. On which picture did you first start loving and following Totti?

Picture #10. Sometimes it sucks to live in America.

#8, have one Roma shirt every year since then.  Love to get a suit with the crest on it!

I first started following Totti since the fourth picture.

Anyone saw the Totti of blue jumper?

I want Lamela, I want Lamela!!

I want Oranges Oranges !!

I want a win tomorrow!!

I want Totti to score!

I want a unicorn!

Your wish came true. Chris used a unicorn photo as the next post.

I want a baby from Borriello! (serious)

Pasta...

what I don't understand is, if DiBenedetto wants a winning Roma, why they choose the path the way they did? They had a good spine, with the right new players without totally changing the style of the team, and slowly added new talents things could look different.

Now, if they are really want to play tici-taqua, they will have to keep buy players

What was the good spine?  Juan is on the wrong side of 30.  There was no other CB.  DDR was out of form but i'll grand you that and the captain was turning 35.  Pizarro over 30 and Simone 35.

What's good about that spine?  Did you mean Simplicio?

Interestingly, still those players are the spine of the team.

I am talking about buying 11 new players, and we still not finished with it.
Obviously Simplicio never was the spine of the team.

But one cannot change so may players, the playing style to something quite strange to the italian football, and expect quick results. But the new society does need results for marketing, revenues, and appeal to bring in big name players.

I think they wanted to do too much in too little time, with some built in contradictions.

With Kjaer and Pjanic, Gago and possibly Lamela and Ozzy also.

But you seem to make the point that they've changed (a bad thing) and they've stayed the same (a bad thing) so I'm not sure what the point is.

The point is that they are trying to do too much in too little time. It is a revolution and it will need time, but you seldom have time in football in general and not in Rome in particular.

One thing to remember is the Vucinic saga though. With him still on the team we would be way ahead than we are now. A natural wide forward who knows Totti. Osvaldo can become great, but it will take time.

Don't blame Roma blame Romans for Vucinic.  He's said numerous times he had a misunderstanding with the Ultras and that's why he left.  Here is him talking just today.  The "negotiations he refers to is to get to Juve, not to reup with Rome"

"“I am very happy to have come to Turin. The negotiations with Roma seemed to go on forever, but in the end it all went well. I had five happy years in Rome, but then had a few problems with the fans and wanted new challenges.”

The revolution will succeed if the Owner is patient not the fans really.  As long as he buys and invests in the stadia the fans will know what's good for them.

Bambas,

"Just an example - they wanted to build a new young team, and push aside the older generation, including Totti quite aggressively."

I can't argue with that because it's something you made up in your mind.  No one has said that in the camp.  Totti has played every game with the exception of the EC encounter where everyone (including me) thought they could do without him to defeat a minor team.  Don't forget that the league kickoff was cancelled 3 days later and was only cancelled after the game so i'm sure he was more worried about having Totti fresh for that game.

Maybe it was pride on the part of the coach.  I don't know, but no one ESPECIALLY not a new owner and/or manager could ever hope to push Totti aside.  They'd have to be especially stupid and i don't think they are.

Roma right now is a complicated society. There are a couple of people in Trigoria, who wants to build their success in the new Roma, without the old people. Some like Fenucci, who just came to Roma and has two category for players: 1, players who are the present and future, 2, old players who are here only for the transition period.

And others, part of the society, we don't really aware.
the rumors around Trigoria, that the society would not mind Totti leaving in january, and about his wages and everything else did not come from nowhere. Surethey did not come from Di Benedetto, but someone cared to leaked it to the press.
And then don't forget Baldini...the one who is here without being here...and Sabatini.
All these people have their own interests too in this "new Roma"

Gago for example would not be here, if not Baldini. etc

we tend to think only about the players, but behind them there are quite a few people with their own career wishes and personal desires.

Also, my opinion about revolution - it first may work quickly, but the price generally enormous, and then comes the set back, and eventually the real achievements wanted to achieve with a "revolution" will come gradually.
It doesn't mean a revolution is not starting something a process, just that it always followed by a setback and then a much slower process to the real aim.

you know "festina lente..."

I did not said they changed a bad thing and not changed a bad thing.
I say, that bringing in Enrique (new coach new ideas) and new players, and at the same time want to win quickly is like working to two different directions.

Just an example - they wanted to build a new young team, and push aside the older generation, including Totti quite aggressively. But then they had to understand the additional value those players bring into the table, while also understand, that the young players need time to grow, and learn from the older ones without the burden of the huge responsibility in a team like Roma. Now they are going with much more balance, and I think it is the right way to do it.

I think the idea is to overhaul our youth system as well to produce players that fit in the new style (that's what I think is meant by importing "B... system")

yeah, but I think they could do differently. Start to educate the primavera players to the new system now, and in the A team more gradually, and with the slow including of the primavera players.

right now we will buy young players to fit into the new system, which in some way will hurt our primavera.
For example, I would prefer as a substitute Viviani instead Simplicio...

I'd also love to see more of Caprari but with Lamela coming back and Borini surprising us, I don't see any chance for minutes. Lets hope at least Okaka leaves in january so he's one step closer to playing time...