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By: chris | May 28th, 2008

I was planning on responding to a comment, but it got a bit longer. And since this took up a small chunk of time that I was going to use to work on the season review, I’m just going to post this and be done with it.

To the person who can bring me a crystal ball and show me the Sensi family poor and destitute, shuffling Roma from Serie C2 to Serie C1 in the next three years because they know their EXACT financial situation and can provide actual documents, I’ll start to buy into selling the soul of Roma. I don’t think there’s anyone here with that type of inside info, so speculating on their financial future is useless.

The values of Roma that drew me in were of a team marked by Roman talent, Roman ownership, Roman passion and the fact that every win meant so much – in part because they weren’t expected. They became the plucky little engine that could. They weren’t Juventus or Milan or Inter. They weren’t headed by the deepest of pockets. What they bought had to matter. They had to be smart and cunning. The one time they did buy a scudetto it put the club into ruins. They had to sell everything they had, even their goddamn souls, for a scudetto. Every win really, truly meant something and the losses, the second place finishes are what make every win so damn special. A major part of what makes this fanbase so special is they’re not supposed to win. But they do. I’m not sure people truly understand that. In fact, I know it.

Everything I’ve ever known Romanisti to hate resides in Torino and Milan, more recently in the British Isles. Now Roma is about to become them, and suddenly we’re happy about this? This club was always better than that. This club was built on more than championships and banknotes and finding the highest dollar, perhaps seeing how much it can squeeze out of the loyal and, now hopefully, bandwagon tifosi. It was built on belief, not on expectations. No more.

Daniele De Rossi said last summer that he won’t leave Rome because there are more important things than trophies and money – and yes, he specifically said trophies. Those things are winning for Rome, by Rome, with Roma. I wonder why the fans can’t share the same sentiments of the players we follow so passionately, so blindly. Now, they’ll be winning for the almighty buck, euro, yen, whatever it may be. The next trophy. They’ll be winning to become the next Manchester United, the next Juventus, the next Inter, the next Milan. The next powerhouse. The next brand. So many people decried how Manchester United bought their squad, but now it’s going to be okay because of unlimited resources? How easily people are tempted.

The question which still gives me nightmares is: Would Soros, or whomever is in charge, have made a second thought about pulling the plug on Totti back in 1997 when he was on his way to Sampdoria? Why, when they so easily could’ve used the resources from a new stadium or the latest batch of Nike shirts to buy a world class, ready made replacement, would they have taken a chance on a potential wonderkid, when they had a sure thing, ready made for the big time one check away. The talent evaluators had signed off, but the Roman in the president’s seat couldn’t do it. Perhaps because he knew what being a Roman at Roma meant, and maybe his daughter learned a little bit of the same watching him run the club closely. No one answered my question the first time around, maybe because it’s too frightening a scenario.

Roman tradition and passion will always stay, but this will, as so many people have said, become a business-first venture. This is not about the football. This is not about the fans. This is not about the city. This is not about Roma. This is about the brand. This is about turning the club built on certain values into something else entirely. Soros would not be around if that were not the case. That is, quite simply, what he does. A Roma fan can figurehead the team all he may want, but at the end of the day the bankroll will ultimately make the decisions. That is not up for debate, everybody knows this.

The football might improve, it might not. With money, large money, comes ego. With ego comes chemistry issues. Perhaps this was a part of the design all along, eh? Spalletti is, as we’ve heard so many times, a chemistry first person. Roma has such fantastic chemistry, what’s to say we won’t see another Capello situation once people start to become full of themselves. Has anybody thought that perhaps that’s a reason Chivu was sold? It’s not as easy to build a professional team as people may think, and it’s even harder to buy a team and watch it succeed.

They’ve built something beautiful. Something beautifully self-sufficient here. A club that doesn’t need top money to succeed, that only needs players who can, quite simply, play for the good of the club. A club that makes the most of everything it has by the power of the city it’s built on. In a year marked by obvious bias of some sort, they came within three points of the title. Anyone who believes they’re so far away needs only to look back on this season to be proven they’re not.

A good chunk of the things which make this club special are about to be lost. They’ll become the first Italian club to sell out. The feel-good hometown company making handmade, high quality goods is about to be bought out by WalMart. To become the next big brand on the world market. Congratulations, we’re about to become everything we hate.

And that’s it. I’m not saying another word about the takeover until something happens. Not responding. Not answering questions. Nothing. It honestly makes me sick. I put a lot in over the last year only to watch this happen, watch it take over something I actually did a bit of work to build, and it’s killing me daily. Obviously I care too much.



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  • Marc |  May 29th, 2008 at 8:22 am

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    A few things:

    1.) Jacopina does carry an Italian passport, so technically, the club will be run by an Italian.

    2.) Soros, unlike Glazer, Abramovich, et al, isn’t a douchebag. The man’s support of the arts and the “good things” in the world is well established. He understands what it means to have a soul (even if his fiercest critics think otherwise).

    3.) It’s been said before… the Sensi family has to sell. Financially strapped ownership is never, ever a good thing (Parma? Fiorentina?) The club is at a critical juncture… a few forays deep into the champions league, a few minor trophies but only 1 recent scudetto. We need people who are not only willing but able to spend those incremental dollars to take us around the bend. How far away are we from a Champions League home game next year? Not very.

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  • evaldo |  May 29th, 2008 at 8:24 am

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    i think, or at least hope, that the takeover will not be a bad thing as long as the upper echelons of the roma management stay in place. with the new regime i trust that they will continue to exercise financial discipline and have a salary cap, although with a few extra zeros. but who is to say really? none of us can predict the future, so let’s stop being like the media and speculating and just wait and see what happens. the most important thing is that we need to stop all this infighting because its idiotic for us to argue over things that may or may not be true or may or may not come to pass.

    chris, i totally understand where you are coming from here but i do think we are gonna need some more cash to make the jump to ultra elite. how else are we even gonna keep hold of the players we love? ddr and totti excluded. i worry about aquilani all the time. while we as fans buy into the roma approach, i.e. salary cap, financial restraint, and playing for the love of the eternal city, most players out there are not like ddr and totti. is it sad? of course it is, but that is just a fact.

    *** A Cautionary Tale: I too, am a Washington Redskins fan. This NFL franchise was bought by a rich ass business man not too long ago. I, along with several others, was happy about this purchase and thought that this man would buy us a superbowl within about 5 years. He has dumped countless millions into player and staff acquisitions and “won the offseason” year after year and guess what we have to show for it? Nothing! We are the laughing stock of the entire league. On top of that he made his money as a marketing guy so he has jacked the prices of EVERYTHING up: tickets, concessions, merchandise, parking and lord knows what else. The end result is that we have the most profitable north american sports operation, (probably not anymore but was within the past couple years), and the most mediocre team in the history of the planet. If Roma goes this way im just gonna find a sword, walk outside, and proceed to fall onto it.

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  • Vin |  May 29th, 2008 at 8:38 am

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    RomaShield, I am saying that it is somewhat hypocritical to put foreign owners under the microscope and not foreign players ON A TEAM THAT ALREADY HAS TOO MANY.

    I have no problem with foreign players when we’re talking about 4 or less out of a starting XI. They add variety and diversity to calcio… but when your squad is starting FOUR Brazilians, two Frenchman, a Montenegran, and a Chilean, the team is that much less Italian.

    The way this plays into the discussion of ownership is that Roma starts mostly foreigners NOW, under ROMAN ownership, so my point is that Roman ownership does not necessarily mean a more Italian squad.

    Of course I would prefer Italian owners, if given the choice. There’s no question. However, I would also prefer owners with more cash than Sensi, because acquiring depth costs money, and WE NEED MORE DEPTH.

    It’s great that Roma has heart and character, but that is only good enough for second place, it seems. All we need is about three additions on top of what we have… so we don’t need a Soros to come in and rebuild the team from the ground up… but we do need someone with more money than we have now.

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  • mctalian |  May 29th, 2008 at 9:05 am

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    Heartfelt, Chris. I agree with a lot of what you say.

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  • Daniele |  May 29th, 2008 at 9:26 am

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    Sheild.

    Your thoughts are wildly overrated.

    With Rosella, Bruno and Spal on board, this would never happen. And if it did, fans would riot and Tacopina would be overthrown.

    This guy knows that it will only take a little to have Roma go very far.

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  • HC |  May 29th, 2008 at 9:28 am

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    Thanks Chris…, we’re all with you on this.

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  • Gabriella (ASR) |  May 29th, 2008 at 10:48 am

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    I am writing an essay on this … almost an essay
    but ohh boy! I sound like a corporate asshole so I spare you guys.

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  • Kelly |  May 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am

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    Great post Chris

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  • mobysurf |  May 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

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    i’m not much of a roma fan although i do find them intriguing and do root for them above all other italian sides, but i’ll say this. i love the idea of tradition and the idea of winning. and it’s always more fun as a fan when you have a winning tradition. being a red sox fan since i was 8 as well, i love cheering for the world series champion red sox much more than i did for the “we got swept by the yankees again” red sox. red sox nation now cheers for the epstein’s the way they did for previous owners, because the owners did what was necessary with what they had.

    manchester united doesn’t hate the glazers anymore (well most of them) and blues fan doesn’t hate abromovich because he brought them to where no other owner had…to the winners’ circle. now the scousers have seen the worst possible situation possible at anfield, and that kind of degradation of tradition is something every supporter wants to avoid. but sometimes if nothing is risked, nothing is gained. cliche, but very true. don’t hold your dear roma (and i don’t say that patronizingly) so close that they aren’t allowed to see cups and trophies lifted high. totti deserves it. de rossi deserves it. aquilani…you get the picture.

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  • nolayuprule |  May 29th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

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    wonderful and heart-felt post. I however dont share the pessimism. There are plenty of teams with very deep pockets who dont sacrifice their souls, who dont fuck over their fan base in an attempt to maximize the buck invested.

    Im hoping that Soros – being not such a horrible person – wont be a soul seller.

    not to mention this new stuff about the takeover being in question:

    http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=715774

    “However the NY Daily News has now reported that Soros will play no part in any Roma takeover, and incredibly, despite his name being linked to the club repeatedly for the past few months, it has even been claimed that he never at any point seriously considered a purchase.

    “At one point, Soros Fund Management looked at the deal, like they look at hundreds of deals, but the decision was made to pass on it,” a source close to Soros revealed.

    “They are no longer considering it.”

    Where this leaves Tacopina remains to be seen, but one thing is for sure, and that is that the soap opera continues.”

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  • Roma Caput Mundi |  May 29th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

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    The heaart and passion of the fans will never be affected by whoever owns the team. Sensis or no Sensis, Totti or no Totti. Curva SUD will always be the best place to watch calcio.

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  • lamagica |  May 29th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

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    chris, massive post. as a transplanted roman and lifelong roma fan i applaud you and wish i could have authored such a thoughtful and lucid piece.

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  • Benito |  May 29th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

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    excellent post chris… i agree!!

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  • Giovanni |  May 29th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

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    Chris, you know my position on the subject. So, of course, I agree completely. Marc, your description of Soros is a joke. He is a megalmaniac, billionaire, elitist, totalitarian socialist, subversive and his behavior since he arrived in America is treasonous in my opinion. He has no soul. He’s a gutter snipe, piece of garbage.

    Joe Tacopina is Italian-American. He was not born in Italy and obtained his citizenship through his father, who is Roman. But he admits that he has only a basic knowledge of the Italian language. None of this bothers me other than his lack of command of the language. We Italians are somewhat provincial. We like to speak our own language in our own country. Moreover, he will be an absentee president or co-owner because he has no intention of moving his wife and kids to Rome and further, he will not give up his law practice. If this happens, Roma will be operated from New York City.

    Finally, this whole thing appears to be blowing up. One day Soros is in, the next day he’s out. Now Tacopina is allegedly getting financial backing from another source. A bit on an unsavory character is this new deep pocket. Joe himself, may have his own legal problems in America.

    Soros is too busy running around trying to start a civil war in america and is too caught up in his own alleged influence on the next presidential election.

    The white knight is Francesco Gaetano Caltagirone. But where is he? A Roman and Romanista, the Sensi’s would sell to him tomorrow. Any Roma fan worth his own spit should be praying for this man to buy the club.

    Lorenzo, si può sapere dove sei stato? Spero che stai bene e ti mando un abbraccio fortissimo.

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  • Jamil Batcha |  May 30th, 2008 at 12:00 am

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    I’m not going to repeat what I’ve said a million times in detail, but I’ve got to say that comparisons between Roma, which if I recall, is an Italian club that plays in Serie A, with Man United, Chelsea, Liverpool etc, which are English clubs that play in the Premiership are fundamentally flawed to start with. Ownership practices, law, national and local culture, an abundant source of domestic players with actual skill… etc.

    We cannot just say that foreign ownership is going to be the end all of this club. There are huge risks with every major change, but no risk = no reward.

    I still do not understand how foreign money is going to automatically drive the flags, the tifosi and the color out of the curva sud. Someone please explain this to me.

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  • maro |  May 30th, 2008 at 12:12 am

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    I’m not sure anyone really thinks there’s too much “automatically” in any of this, ‘moldy. Rather, there are those who see the potential risk as far outweighing the potential gain as there are others who see the balances rather differently. Lavazza, a finely thoughtful response to Chris’s finely thoughtful post; still, I would respond simply by shifting the emphases of your formulation a whisker: I think what most Roma fans hope and cheer for, is to see THEIR team win.

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  • maro |  May 30th, 2008 at 1:10 am

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    Better, I suppose: that’s what I hope and cheer for.

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  • Jamil Batcha |  May 30th, 2008 at 1:25 am

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    Maro, judging by some of the arguments I have seen one coul potentially think that this evil foreign money would drive fans away from the stadium in droves just by being present. I understand that the distinti and the tribune might actually have spectators on a more regular basis, which cannot be bad, but the curve will always be the domain of long serving fans.

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  • aba_bab |  May 30th, 2008 at 1:35 am

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    chris, i just browsed through some of your pieces, dont have much time to go through it right now.

    But my question is.. if Sensi were to suddenly bankroll the signing of Quaresma, Torres, Mario Gomez, then would you be happy about it? Just because Franco is Roman, he suddenly has privileges that a foreign owner cant enjoy? There are so many people bitching about the fact that Soros is in it to make money… emm.. what exactly has Rosella been doing since she took over the day to day runnings from Franco? Its well known we’ve been steadily making more and more money than we’ve spent in the last three seasons. And i think we can all agree that its not all being reinvested into the club, but in fact going to The Sensi family.. now on the flip side, there’s nothing worng with that since they have invested money in the club, but lets not kid ourselves that the Sensi’s are philanthropists who have no wish to make money off Roma. Hell if they had have the brains and experiance that it SEEMS Soros has with respect to the running of a corporation, they’d do it.

    Aside from the Totti signing that Franco Sensi dissaproved, how many other romanista’s have we let goto other clubs? We cant just be selective about this. De Rossi was kept at the club thanks to Capello who fought tooth and nail to keep him here. Aside from that, we’ve thrown away promising Romans without giving them a proper chance… Amelia could’ve been our keeper, but instead we drop 20 million for Pellizoli.. Bovo’s blind auction was a sham, Chiellini was duped off us by LIVORNO… i mean come on.

    Whilst i agree with your opening paragrpahs about what makes Roma special is more or less the things you’ve mentioned. What i have to disagree with though, is that i doubt the failure to hang onto our star players makes Roma so dear to us.. i doubt watching the team struggle to keep key cogs of our team with us, after having developed them. Its frustrating for the players, its frustrating for the fans. De Rossi has said what you said he did.. but are you telling me that if Roma stay with the Sensi’s, face financial difficulites, and proceed to challeneg for an intertoto cup place for the next 5 years, that De Rossi will stay? I hope for footballs sake not.

    And why is it a presumption that we’re going to go out and buy every single hot property in football. We’ve got the same coahcing and scouting staff.. we have the same coach. Dont you guys have an ounce of faith in them? Dont you think they have enuff beans to know what we’ve been saying.. that this club doesnt need an overhaul like chelsea.. but for gods sake, we need some money! 3 fucking scudetto’s in 80 years? How many 2nd place finishes? Is that ample reward for Conti? For Pruzzo? For Giannini? For Totti? Dont you think they deserve more. They’ll always be loved in the hearts of Romans.. there’s no doubt about that.. but please.. i’d like to enjoy watching this team win more than just the solitary time in my lifetime.. call me selfish.. but i’m being honest.

    Thats not to say that if they dont win, i won’t support them either.

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  • James |  May 30th, 2008 at 2:52 am

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    ‘Zo caled it out. this kid is a romantic. Forza Soros.

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  • Johnny (ASR) |  May 30th, 2008 at 3:07 am

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    Il barbiere di Borgata Ottavia l’aveva detto: “Soros si sta comprando la Roma”
    Tra leggende metropolitane e lamenti, c’è il cognato di un impiegato in banca che giura che Sensi sta per vendere

    Now I’ve heard it all, a barber said his brother in law works at the bank and saw documents of Sensi selling the club..

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  • RomaShield27 |  May 30th, 2008 at 4:01 am

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    Jammy, we have this argument before, but I’m sorry, I fail to see how the comparisons of our potential buyout to that of the English clubs is “fundamentally flawed”, as you say. Just because one club is in england and the other in Italy doesn’t make a bit of difference. Neither does national or local culture or domestic law or or homegrown talent. What matters is the most basic element, what it all comes down to: foreign ownership. Foreign ownership not only means we are no longer Italian, or no longer means every move the club makes will all come from the $$$ from abroad, it also means we run the risk of having an outside influence ruling over the club and having ultimate control. Sorass or Tapioca, it doesn’t matter, both men have little understanding of the way things work here (the former more so than the latter), and like Italiamia said, both would have little time to stay and understand the way things work. Its foreign ownership by those who do not understand and from those who possibly would not be sympathetic to the traditions and culture of a club like Roma. The thing is we just don’t know and the risk, in this case, is just too great. Its possible they could be similar to Abramovich or Randy Lerner, who both run they’re respective clubs from day to day, but given the other business interests and locations, Sorass or Tapioca would not be in the frame at Roma all of the time and would, most probably, just want end results. And big money, as we know, does not always guarantee results. Who is to say that if things were working out half way into the season, that Tapioca would not turn around and declare that he is not happy with Spalletti, and simply replace him with someone of his choosing, even though he would not have the knowledge or understanding to make a decision. We could see a situation similar to Man City, where the Asian owner is replacing (or has replaced?) Erickson, even though the fans are against it and most believe it is a bad call. Or, given that we do not know how much of a back seat out potential new owners would take, the risk of internal conflict arising from them sticking they’re noses in matters which they shouldn’t could be disastrous, similar to Mourinho quiting at Chel$£i or Hicks and Gillette threatening Rafa’s job and talking about Klinsman at L’scum and so on. And then there’s the likes of Conti and Rosella, even, who I’m sure would have plenty to say in such a situation. This is the risk factor we’ll have to take under this deal, and its just to great.

    Giovanni, lovely reply. You mentioned a white knight, Caltagirone… is that just wishful thinking or is there something going on there?

    Aba, stop talking nonsense.

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  • aba_bab |  May 30th, 2008 at 10:22 am

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    so lemme get this straight… the anti-takeover posse is bitching about the possibility that the new owners will be to hands on in the job and interfere in the day to day running of the club, and at the same time are bitching at the possibility that they won’t care to understand Roma, and keep it as a side thing, and continue their respective ventures, whilst just funding the operation meanwhile rosella, conti and spalletti continue to run the show?

    Make up your minds

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  • Jamil Batcha |  May 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am

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    Shield, those are all major factors in any major financial transaction, especially in a country like Italy, the whole culture thing, domestic law enforcement etc. Books can be and have been written about it. The big difference between Roma and any English side is that it’s a comparison between Italy and the UK. The UK has a huge tradition of foreign ownership and private sector participation, which is not just limited to football clubs (though that gets the most attention). Things like infrastructure and other major (and minor) companies and organizations in the UK are foreign owned and run and seem to be doing just fine. Italy does not have such a tradition of foreign ownership or even immigration.

    I don’t see how foreign ownership would make this club less “Italian” unless you want to make derogatory comments about Italians and management. What matters is that players, coaching staff and our football professionals (Conti etc) remain and are Italian, for the most part (admit we’ve got a fair share of non-Italians in the side and on the staff).

    We already have outside influences running the club. Like Capitalia (now a part of UniCredit), Italpetroli, CONSOB etc. They have not interfered with Roma at all. Right. Uh huh. Yeah. Not at all.

    I find it interesting how you think Rosella has any understanding of what’s going on at the club. It’s clear she does not and we have all moaned about it for years.

    I will agree to disagree with Chris and say Lerner is still liked in Villa. Next year will be his real test. I think Milan Mandaric, the Glazers or Hicks and Gilette would have been better examples to further your point though.

    You’re talking about sacking coaches? In Italy coaches are sacked much more often than in England. Look at how many heads rolled this year in Italy. Oh wait, Serie A clubs are all Italian owned as of now…

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  • Jamil Batcha |  May 30th, 2008 at 10:35 am

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    Aba, clear and concise… wow

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