

Mancini: “You’re offering how much? Seriously?”
By: chris | January 7th, 2008
Mancini For Human-rights-tainted Blood Money…A @#$%load.
This is one of those rumors that you look at and say immediately “no, it can’t be”. Then you realize the source has a url which ends in “.co.uk”, which means it’s a product of the British media, and is therefore probably complete shyte (I immediately throw anything out coming from that area unless it a) goes along with what I want to happen, or b) from the Times, which has shown me some love - and occasionally the Guardian, but only choice writers).
But then, when the name of team pops up, Manchester Citeh, you realize “hey, they’ve been willing to spend a tonjust to be considered among the big boys”, so it becomes “well, maybe…”. Anyway, I half believe this rumor, but the wording from nearly every publication has caused more confusion than anything else. The number seems to be the same, £16m, but it’s the “plus Rolando Bianchi” which has caused the most confusion. So is it £16m (€21.5m) plus Bianchi? Or is Bianchi’s value a part of that £16m valuation? Big difference, as far as I’m concerned. Although both deals which would require a good looking over (actually one would just be more of a “skim”). So here’s the full text, you judge:
Sven Goran Eriksson has returned to Serie A with a £16million bid for Roma winger Amantino Mancini, according to the Italian club.And unsettled striker Rolando Bianchi, bought last summer for £8.8m from Reggina, could also be included in the deal.
Eriksson, the former manager of Sampdoria and Lazio, has been promised money to spend at Manchester City in the January market to keep up their challenge for a Champions League place.
Roma rejected interest from Liverpool and Lyon last summer in the 27-year-old Brazilian international.
AdvertisementBut he has failed to recapture his stunning form of last season, when he scored a wonder goal against the French side in the Champions League, and has not renewed a deal which expires in 2009.
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If it’s £16m PLUS Bianchi. Holy crap, where do I sign? That’s like watching a drunken Victoria’s Secret model get undressed in front of you and thinking “oh god she would totally regret this…..WHY CAN’T I GET MY GODDAMN ZIPPER DOWN”. Seriously. Yes. Please.
I love Mancini. But his form hasn’t been exactly making grown men cry and women fawn for his glory, and the contract thing doesn’t help. For somebody so inconsistent, that’s a helluva package, with probably what he’s worth just in straight cash, as well as a studly young striker, a decently sized one to boot, and just what Roma is looking for.
If Bianchi is part of that £16m valuation, I’d say it depends on how much cash is coming back. If it’s the price he was bought for last summer (£8.8m) - which I doubt it is, he hasn’t exactly been earning that fee with a whole 4 goals in 17 games this year - we’d be talking roughly €10m plus Bianchi. Which, I suppose, is pretty damn good considering Mancini’s form. But how good is it compared to what other teams, like Real Madrid for instance, would be willing to pay. Going by track record and that fact that they’ve had a neverending proverbial hard on for Mancini’s stepovers since his childhood, Real would probably we willing to sign over co-ownership of the Bernabeu in return. If this is the case, I guess we’d be talking about €12-15m plus Bianchi.
Even though Sven-Goren Fucktard brought in tons of reinforcements over the summer, it’s not like he asked his Thai dictator to pay wayabove market value for certain guys. Elano looks like a bargain, Bojinov was had for a under Fiorentina’s supposed minimum, Petrov was probably around market value, Castillo just came in on loan, of all things, and Fernandes is supposed to be a complete farkin stud. Which makes me think we’d be looking at the second scenario, rather than a slightly misguided supermodel. (Then there’s the possibility Bianchi would just be a loan, which is also reasonable thinking.)
Either way, considering the circumstances, and as long as the cash is decent, I think you do both deals if no one wants to top it. That cash could be reinvested for a guy like Tranquillo Barnetta or a LWB and you’d still have a young stud to throw in as a backup for either Totti or Vuci, depending on how the depth chart shakes up.
The other key here is the rumors that Spal is willing to switch up to a 3-5-2 with wingbacks next season, if not sooner, which would almost definitely spell doom for Mancini. Not because he can’t play defense (he’s not wonderful, but he was a RB at one point), but because I’m pretty sure that wingback on the left is going to have to have a pretty decent workrate getting back. And you can’t defend with stepovers. (Though I’d be more than willing to see him try.) And, if they are looking to work in a 2 striker option, Spal’s going to need more and he’s going to need good, a couple of roles which Rolando can fill.
Minus Bianchi? I’ll keep it simple: I don’t think £16m sweetens the pot enough, unless Roma is determined to unload Amantino in January, which I don’t think they are.
The Whiteness
I like Bianchi. I actually like him a lot. Despite the relative strange spike at age 24, he was considered a superstud and it’s not like it was totally unexpected. He’s tall, can get into space, get his body parts on the ball, with some decent ground work and does know how to score some goals in Serie A. While he’s not exactly an ideal person to put in the stands, at least from his angle, the guy would be a helluva backup if Mirko is phased over to the left-wing, and especially if we’re looking at a two striker system one of these days.
Who knows what’s going on in Manchester. I saw his debut and he seemed like a real consistent threat, and scored a whole 18 minutes in. (Then I realized I needed to take a shower for watching a Sven coached game and have ceased watching Citeh since.) He changes his mind every 12 seconds about where he wants to be. Including one of my favorite interviews of the season so far, somehow weaving Atletico Madrid and British cuisine. Genius:
“I hope to score at least 10 Premier League goals and I want to win a place in the Champions League,” said Bianchi. “Then I’ll pack my bags again and go in search of new adventures. I’d like to wear the shirt of Atletico Madrid and score 15 goals in the Primera Liga.
I have raised the white flag with English food. I don’t like it. And I think I must be the only teetotal player in the Premier League. My team-mates were surprised when I refused a beer. They looked at me as if I were an alien.”
You know what, screw Roma. I need Bianchi. Here, at the offside. We don’t have somebody providing a smorgasbord of quotable quotations on any regular basis in Rome. I need some Bianchi.
The goals for Reggina:
The Grand Imperial Poohbah Speaks
And loudly…
“It shouldn’t be taken for granted that Mancini will leave,” the Tuscan boss maintained.“I have never listened to the rumours that Mancini will leave. It’s much more likely that he will stay and that is our main hope.
“He is a great player and he is still improving. He has such promise and he could be so useful to any team.”
Well, that’s a far cry from the “as long as I’m here, Mancini will never leave” we heard a month ago. Which now sounds a lot more like negotiation tactics and posturing than anything else.
I’d give this a Jessica Simpson on the feasibility scale and on the likehood. Can’t really say how legitimate it is, but if so, all are offers Roma would seriously have to consider, no matter how much Spal would like to keep Amantino’s inconsistencies.
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lol… Mr. Burns! Good one.
Chris! Where is our new post today? I’m dying for more juicy rumors. Perhaps some more about Bianchi?
Let City take Podolski on loan from Bayern and ship us Bianchi
ahhh the fuel that fires transfer speculation. What a wonderful time.Posted from
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I want this deal to happen I do.
But it wont.Not till the summer. And then we will not really need Bianchi that much, but we will need Lucio, Vargas, and a new winger…
I mean to break up the team right now would not be a good thing.
We just need to cross our fingers, and hope Mancini returns to being Mancini, and contributes.
When he is on form and the team is clicking, we are world beaters… And we will need to be that in order to catch Inter, and go deep into the CL.
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found this very cool video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKRfngX9fGsUL> Transfer gossips do my head in! I am so happy that we’ll see some calcio at the weekend
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We won’t need Bianchi in the summer time?
Who’s going to be our target man? I really like Vuci. He shows that he wants Roma and wants to bleed Roma. He’s a good guy. He’s skilled. He has contributed many times, but I will continue to feel that he is not the guy to score us buckets of goals, nor the kind of guy that will be a powerhouse in our system. I know lots of people don’t want to hear that, but I see him as being a Roma player that is hot one day, cold the next. I’d prefer to have consistency, a guy who fits the system, even if it changes up a bit, and who can be a big target man. Someone who could also play with Totti well and draw a lot of fouls and contact away from Francesco. Someone who can guard the ball and use physicality and in Mirko, that is not a realistic possibility.
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thanks Gabriella
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Good move for Bianchi too
Roma produces a lot of Azzurri players *thumbsup*Posted from
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its goal yes, but its positive:
http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=540551
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I am really torn.
I would like us to sell Mancini now on one part, since we could get a striker that can easily become the next Toni and a lot of money to but a very good replacement for Mancini and maybe even a LB
but! breaking up our harmony right now would really be bad for our team, IN champions league Mancini is something else and he is what we need this year to get farther than before. also I don’t think any respectable team would sell us any of their star midfielders to replace mancini with so we would be stuck with a good striker but in with the same formation so we would not make any good use of him and a striker playing out on the left wing.
we should wait untill the summer when we can get more money out from teams since Mancini can RElly start a transfer frenezy and we could get more money than right now I believe and it would be much easier to replace him and with the help of the friendlies move to a 3-5-2 much easier!
I think this will only go through in the summer
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2 words: modern striker!
LOL. I know I am getting a bit pushy with the idea, but most of you guys are looking at Mancini like he’s going to lift up the club and take us to the new level once the break is over. Fair enough.
But, what if he continues down his current path. What if his negativity effects the dressing room? And if word gets out and most teams back off a bit or offer less, then what?
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on the Zampa forum they are talking about 24 million Euros for Mancini… please let us sell him!
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maro, simple answer: sports are a business, first and foremost. If they believe that offer, or close to that offer, will be there in the summer, they’ll wait. If not, then waiting another 6 months on an expiring contract for a guy who may or may not provide all those wonderful things becomes a little more unsettling.
21m + a young, proven Serie A striker is a hell of a deal for a guy who has done little to nothing to earn his pricetag this season. Prade, Conti and Spal will look at it as such. I’ve said in the past I don’t necessarily advocate a Mancini deal in the winter, but if Spal is going to take him out of games early, often when the team could use his magic the most, what does his value of sale v retainment become? And 21m isn’t “some cash”. It’s a business, remember.
(And what’s to say this wasn’t pre-decided and there is a replacement ready, as the case with Juan and Chivu.)
UL, I’m getting on something right now. This has been a tough week.
Like that video, Gabs. Think it may be deserving of votd.
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“I want Mancini here immediately as he is the ideal man to strengthen my squad,” Eriksson told Il Romanista. “He could become my Cristiano Ronaldo.”
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jan9g.html
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Oh, absolutely, Chris. I think there would be a lot of sense in taking such a deal should it really be on the table. I just roll my eyes at the general sense here that it’s a no-brainer (among the comments, I mean, rather than in your blog). As usual, I tend to side strongly with JCS’s rather more balanced view. It depends on loads of questions I personally don’t feel in a position to answer - Mancini’s place within the locker-room; the club’s sense of whether he’ll be worth at least as much in the summer when other CL-focused sides will be more interest or much less because he’ll be so close to the end of the contract; whether Spags thinks Mancini’s lost the work-rate which was sucn an important part of the mix he brought to the table; whether he thinks losing Mancini might create more opportunities for players like Vooch and Esposito and, in an indirect way, Cicinho, and whether those players have Spags’s trust; whether there’s an alternative already lined up. And of course it also depends on what the club’s sense of Mancini’s desire to sign a new contract really is. My little one-liner left lots out - most notably the fact that it’s not just a starting trequartista we’re talking about but one whose contract’s expiration is closing in and whose place in the side has actually increasingly been far from certain. I don’t say hang on to Mancini at all costs; rather, I say I’m torn like JCS, though without the affection for a switch to a back 3.
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I just don’t agree with the idea that it’s “a sweet deal, fullstop.” I think it’s a tempting deal but not an irresistible one and I can’t help but feel that keeping Mancini makes us a much bigger threat to others in the CL this season. Whether even with him we’re quite enough of a threat perhaps remains to be seen.
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We are all very focused on the CL this year, but I think that Rosella & Co. are really thinking about next year to be honest. Even Totti made some quote about next year’s final when talking about the impending matchup with Madrid. While there is still a shot at the scudetto this year, the team has certainly dug itself into a big hole and I can’t help but think that there may be a lot more focus on next year rather than this year. With that in mind, selling Mancini makes sense, because while it will hurt us in the short run, the freedom it will allow in the summer will prove beneficial in building the ideal team for next season. Just my two cents…
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ROTFLMAO! Roberto Pruzzo just said on teleradiostereo that he would swap Mancini for Bianchi even without money involved Roma need a striker so badly. Tells you about valued minds and valued pundits view of this team and how poor Mirko’s finishing has been for the last two months.
Let’s get it right, ay. Roma want to sell Mancio; and Roma will sell Mancio. The difference when dealing with Man City is they don’t muck about with payments, installations, bargaining … they buy everything high.
Those who said Roma don’t need a ST are living in a parallel universe as far as I’m concerned. Vucinic does not give a suitable gol return when he plays for this club up top, although he has had 3 great moments in quick succession. Quite the opposite. The word squander does spring to mind. He reminds me of that cracking Libertines tunes, “What a waster, what a f******G waster …!!!”
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Chris: Will you make a post with the best goals of the season so far ?
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maro: It’s not the greatest deal in the history of transfers with 0 negative effects on the squad, but it’s quite incredible considering all the factors.
chris: I was just teasing about another post - I just like your articles.
LenPennant: we’re thinking along the same lines.
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Vucinic: Great player. Potential? Correct. Does he have faith in Roma and want to bleed Roma? Yes it appears so. Do I want to sell him? No. Is he a good striker? He’s a capable striker, but often lacks in finishing. With that aside, we’re playing modern football here. Modern football requires a forward that has some size, can guard a ball and who can finish with all parts of their body, a Luca Toni type or Amauri type. Vucinic can score and has showed us he can be excellent, but he’s not that consistent. Can this change? yes it can. But we need OPTIONS. We have none. What if our formation changes? What if Vuci goes down? What if Totti goes down? Can a club with serious ambitions really rely on Vucinic as their only striker? Answer: HELL NO. We need options and we NEED a striker. We need a guy who can add a different dimention to our squad, who can be a capable substitute or full timer if need be. We need that Toni/Amauri style striker. A guy who can get physical, use his head and pull away defenders from guys like Totti and can take a beating. Vucinic is not that kinda guy.
We’re not saying Mancini isn’t a good player or doesn’t help the squad, but we have other areas that really need attention if we plan on winning, winning big games, and winning them often.
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It’s all talk in the end and we can only wait and see. Let’s just hope Roma get the best out of any which way this goes.
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you know it’s a slow mercato news day when you read this headline:
Roma, interesse per Bobo Vieri
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I could be convinced otherwise, but I think at this point, we don’t catch Inter with our current squad and we don’t win CL with out current squad. If our best chance at improving our team is now (assuming the offer from Man C is real), it may be the best offer we will get for Mancini and we should do it. If we don’t you never know if Sven will fill that position with an equally valid player and we won’t be able to get nearly as much value for Mancini in the summer. Same arguement for Vargas. Now is the time before the big boys, who are already sniffing around, start dumping cash on Catania. We can offer them Antunes on loan in the package. So we disrupt chemistry a little bit. What will that cost us? I don’t think it will cost us that much to be honest. Maybe it will improve our chemistry? If we were in a serious schudetto race, I might think differently. If we had a team with a realistic chance of winning the CL, I would think differently. But in order to reach these lofty goals, this team needs to improve and if an opportunity arises to improve the team (i.e. get 21m euros to spend now or in the summer), I would take it. Just my $0.02.
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Lorenzo and I seem to be on the exact same page. It’s exactly how I feel. We risk very little for large gains.
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This deal should be done…after some questioning of course
Mancini’s been great to us, but this season just hasnt been up to par. all of the disruptions seem to be catching up to me at least, so it seems that him leaving and being replaced wont do much to team chemistry.
I dont think he has played a whole game yet. Most of these matches giuly or cicinho end up playing 10-20 minutes anyway, and I feel they are OK guys to play. Start, im not sure…
And Bianchi, thats one of the good parts. Kid has potential. Ive been dreaming the last few days of how he could be a late bloomer like Luca Toni…we all know how that worked out

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Il Romanista’s Daniele Lo Monaco, probably their best writer along with Ricky Luna, wrote a piece about this.
http://www.ilromanista.it/?section=news&id=10390
If you don’t speak Italian plug it into a translator and I’m sure you’ll get the gist.
The point of selling Mancini now for such a fund would really give Roma power NOW in buying someone in the coming weeks. Money makes impossible deals happen within 48-72 hours these days.
While I agree that Bianchi has so much potential, he is not a late bloomer. He’s been a hig profile player since he was spotted as a teen and has always shown great technical qualities. The boy is serious and works nonstop on his game, shooting, fitness. He would be a perfect addition for me, then get a wide player with the nice chunk of that City (thai blood laundered illegal) money.
Toni is the def of late bloomer, ay. No doubting that, Baggio joked that he couldn’t tie his own boots and chew gum at the same time when he was younger, like a Giraffe on stilts lol!!!
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