Juventus Taints Calcio With Their Presence Once Again

By: chris | September 24th, 2007

ancien-directeur-general-juventus-luciano-moggi-14-mai-2006-906.jpgReferee Gives Juventus Another Gift, Skepticism Ensues:

Roma 2 - Juve 2

Well, it’s nice to know that old habits still die hard. In the 87th minute of yesterday’s Roma game, the referee abruptly stopped the game with the ball in play after a legal throw in by Cicinho. Why? For time wasting. Which would be a yellow card offense, had the ball not been thrown in already, which just makes it ridiculous (it took 9 seconds). So, instead of giving Cicinho a yellow and telling him to retake the throw, the rules, he hands the throw in the Juventus about 15 yards from the corner flag. Juventus scores off the throw in and takes two points away from the deserving Roma. What’s more? Giorgio Chiellini’s throw in appears to be illegal. The video isn’t the greatest, but it looks like he clearly takes his foot off the ground on the throw in. Either way, that throw in was never Juve’s.

The sad part? I’ve come to expect this against Juventus. The year in Serie B was a joke of a punishment, most notably when you factor in the effect Luciano Moggi had outside of refereeing decisions. Juventus tainted Serie A with their presence for years and now they’re back at it again. What’s more is how utterly idiotic can a referee be to give a borderline call to Juve, nevermind a blatantly illegal one.

Regardless, Roma lost that game as well. Specifically Simone Perrotta and Mancini, who missed a few sitters which could have put the game in the “veni vidi vici” category. Roma beat Juventus’ asses up and down that pitch all game, and apart from a few lapses, were the dominant team and earned their perch upon the Serie A leaderboard and all the praise which has been heaped on them in past weeks.

Also, Juventus sucks. Well, compared to Juves of old. If they make the CL next season they should get down on their knees and start to thank the football gods. That defense is going to give up goals like nobody’s business, especially now that Andrade is out for the year.

Highlights:


Standings:


1. Roma 3-0-1 10pts (+7)

2. Inter 2-0-2 8pts (+4)
3. Fiorentina 2-0-2 8pts (+3)
4. Atalanta 2-0-2 8pts (+3) Enjoy it while it lasts
5. Napoli 2-1-1 7pts (+5)
6. Juventus 2-1-1 7pts (+4)

Fact is, Roma is still top of the table, still looking stronger than anybody in Serie A and still playing some gorgeous football (oh, and that Totti guy is en fuego, always a good sign). It’s not disastrous, but it is when it’s against Juventus. All in all, this from my season preview does alleviate the pain a bit:


Third, that 7 week gauntlet of calcio hell. How well will Roma perform and then rebound? Will it be either focus on Serie A or CL? Will the squad, particularly the defense, be healthy enough by then? My feeling is this: Roma needs to take a minimum of 7 points from the first 3 weeks against Palermo, Siena, and Regina. That allows at worst two wins and a draw, which is more than doable - with 9 points a very real possibility. Then that leaves the 7 weeks of hell. As we all know, one of Roma’s worst problems is dropping points against weaker opposition - then playing their collective arses off against the big boys. With the new depth this shouldn’t be as much of a problem, so it’s fair to say Roma can easily take 6 points off the two “breathers” in the middle, Parma and Napoli. In the remaining 5 games against Fiorentina, Juventus, Inter, Milan and Lazio - I think they can and should take ten points. Beating Juve, Lazyo and Fiorentina while dropping one of Milan and Inter with a draw to the other. That leaves 23 points after 10 games, with a pansy schedule the rest of the way until the winter. Inter isn’t going to have nearly the season they had last year, and it won’t require 113 points to take the league this year. And if the performance in the Super Coppa was foreshadowing in any way, then taking close to maximum points is a very real possibility in these first ten weeks. After that, Roma can work itself towards that 7 week gauntlet in the second half a bit more smoothly.

They got the nine points in the first 3 games, have 10 points total after 4, look very strong and are more than capable of 13 points in the next 6 games. The way Milan and Inter look, should Roma beat them? Absolutely. Will they? Whole different question. But the fact is, after watching them play, I am much more comfortable with the gauntlet of calcio hell than I was to begin the season. Right now I can absolutely see Roma picking up 14-16 points in this little 6 game stretch, especially considering the rest of the big 4 is looking a little squeamish. The forecast is good, but damnit I hate giving points to Juve.

Roma Scores:

On the 6-8 scale, individual performances.

Doni: The first goal was not his fault. He probably should’ve stayed on his line on the second goal, but that looked more like a flick than a header. It was a lucky goal. Other than that he played ok. 6.5

Cicinho: Yes, he conceded the penalty. Yes, he supposedly screwed up that throw in. But he was still good and had a few flashes of the brilliance he is capable of. Didn’t show the sprint speed as much as I thought he would, though. Maybe he is really injured or not up to par. Despite the miscue, a relatively good performance and a few glimpses into the (bright) future. 7

Mexes: Not his best game. Not his best game at all. Largely responsible for at least giving Trezeguet that much space and letting him head that ball back. With how good he is every other game, we can live with it. 6.5

Juan:
Nothing special, a few miscues, but nothing major. This was actually the first time the defense looked almost weak, but nothing to scoff about. That Juve front line is decent (minus Del Piero, of course). 7

Tonetto:
Vintage Max Tonetto. If you had told me last summer that meant yet another extremely good performance while taking over the left wing, I would never have believed you. 7.5

Aquilani:
Played a fantastic game and was especially evident when fulfilling his defensive responsibilities. His partnership with DDR and Francesco’s goals will be the driving force in Roma’s push for the Scudetto. 7.5

De Rossi: Ditto. He has come a long way in taking over some of David Pizarro’s duties from last season, while dropping back a bit more and allowing King Alberto to push up more often. No complaints here. 7.5

Mancini: He just seemed slow. Not uninspired, but lacking like 2-3 steps. The sitter he missed to start off the second half didn’t help things either. I’m not sure if he’s still out of form or that the injury is lingering a little more that he’s letting on. He’ll be fine eventually, but sooner would be better than later. The club can afford to have him at 50% for Catnia. Inter? Not so much. (Well, maybe, they blow right now) 6.5

Perrotta:
What can you say? I love Simone, but he cost the team 2 points. He’s a grinder and he provides so many of the small things that go unappreciated, but he could’ve easily had the scoreline 4-1 when the Serie B champs got that early X-Mas gift from the ref. I’m willing to start taking up a collection to get Simone a hypnotist to convince him he has the finishing abilities of ll Capitano. This team would never lose if that was the case. 6 (My prediction of Simone netting 10 goals this year isn’t looking all that great, but hell, he probably could’ve had 7 by now)

* - Simone made goal.com’s honorable mention team for Gio 4. Apparently I watched the wrong game.

Taddei:
What the hell was that left-footed shot he took in the second half? I thought he was bound for a stellar goal and it winds up almost a throw in. That’s the on-the-ball version of the finger roll substitution signal, “time to get me off, coach.” Quite obviously running on complete empty by the time the 70th minute rolled around (probably eariler). Methinks he’ll be taking a seat in the stands on Wednesday. 7

Totti: I’m going to steal a quote from Ruud Gullit here: “Totti is Totti.” Yes, yes he is. He’s a goal-scoring machine, creative genius, virtuoso with the ball on his foot and one of the greatest players to ever grace calcio, you dumb fuck. 8

Cassetti: Not enough minutes to really judge, but that was a hell of a run he had when Francesco put him through, only to be saved by Gigi. Still, he has been playing well enough that we hadn’t missed Cicinho. Who saw that coming? I

* - Looks to be out a month, hello Cicinho.

Giuly:
After one of those twelve offsides called in succession I said “one of these is going to go through. It’s inevitable.” But alas, wasn’t meant to be. Lulu was still a regular nuisance and a very dynamic addition to the team when he was brought on. 7.5

Brighi:
Not enough minutes, but I like what he’s bringing to the table.

Poobah:
I knew we were going to see the majority of Roma’s best XI, but I didn’tt realize we would see Roma’s actual best XI…like all of them. I was very surprised when I saw the initial lineup, even though I didn’t have any issues with it. Though I was hoping Lulu would get the tart over Mancini, but he came in a provided his greatest attribute in the second half: an injection of pace for a tired, overmatched defense. A lot of people were complaining about the lack of substitutes, but I think they may have forgotten Cassetti was taken off early and TGIP lost a sub. I’m in the camp of not wanting to use your last sub too early in a close game in the event of injury, so I have no issues with the subs - even though I wanted to see Lulu (or DP with KA pushing up) on for Simone when it was apparent he wasn’t finding the back of the net anytime soon.

While he certainly wasn’t to blame for the finishing, and you can’t fault him for putting out Rom’s best XI - the team was still exhausted and we all knew that was going to happen. I wish we had seen a few different faces. 6.5

Key Matchups


Roma v Fatigue:
The team didn’t get gassed until the 80th minute, as far as I could tell, but it only takes a few seconds to have it bite you in the ass. I really think we’re going to see a lot of new faces for the game on Wednesday. Winner: Fatigue

Philou v 1st Degree Murder:
Mexes didn’t pick up any cards, but he also didn’t play his finest game. Surprisingly there were no verbal confrontations between Philou and Nedved, and he was relatively tame throughout the game. Winner: Philou (kinda)

Francesco Totti v Gianluigi Buffon:
2 goals. ‘Nuff said. Winner: Francesco.

Mancini, Lulu & Max Tonetto v Juve’s Patchwork Right Side:
Roma didn’t start to expose that left/right side until Lulu came on, and I’ll give you one guess as to why. However, it wasn’t as cut-and-dried as previously thought, because Calduio Ranieri threw out a 4-3-3 instead of the expected 4-4-2. Not to mention two of their previously “injured” players finding their way into the starting XI (Grygera, Nocerino). In the end, neither really won, although Lulu was one more pass from beating that offside trap and making Juve pay…or missing the net completely. Push

Roma v Goal Line: Ugh. Winner: Goal Line.

MOTM:
Francesco. (Duh)

I’m wholly too depressed to write more about dropping two (what should have been) easy points against the cheaters, so that’s about it. Anyway, there’s a game in about 48 hours and we must let bygones be bygones and focus all of our energy on that game. If Roma plays like that, then the season will be just fine and the Scudetto is firmly within reach. Viola game stuff tomorrow.

But this always makes me feel better.



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  • rocco |  September 25th, 2007 at 12:17 am

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    on the taddei issue; around 5 minutes befor he was subbed and made that terrible shot to the stands i thought he has somekind of brain damage.. and after he also gave away a simple pass, like he was passing the ball intentiously to that jube player. i never saw such errors from taddei, DP maybe, but not from rodrigo! so i figured either he’s fatigued to death or is just terribly pissed at something..

    anyway, i hope he gets better soon, cause we all need him close to as much we all need totti!

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  • adam |  September 25th, 2007 at 1:27 am

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    chris ur aying juve should be out of serie a for three years for messing up the transfer market and the future of serie a?
    1. Juve did nothing wrong, it was all moggi he got banned for a couple of years, he was the center of calciopolli not juve, and pretty much all of their transefers they “fixed” went right out the door. last year 7 of juve’s biggest “fixed” star signings left and only two italian teams made a move for them inter, and fiorentina for mutu, viera and ibra. its not juve’s fault roma are too cheap to invest money in new players or their own (salary cap).
    2. Juve ruined the future of serie a? last season juve were in serie b. look at how the season turned out. 22 pts between 1st place inter milan and roma, and 13 pts behind roma is lazio. If anythings a joke it was the 06/07 season. It was clearly a season to forget unless ur inter milan when that season comes once every 17 years. if you took out juventus from serie a for three years chances are they wont be back for atleast 4-6 years.By that time theitalian league will surely be a 3rd raate league. ROMA, JUVE, MILAN, and inter are what makes the italian league so unique but if you take one team out the entire calcio suffers tremedously.

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  • Kamran |  September 25th, 2007 at 2:06 am

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    The Laws of the Game clearly state that:

    “A player in an offside position is _only_ penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

    - Interfering with play or
    - Interfering with an opponent or
    - _Gaining an advantage_ by being in that position”

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/lotg2006_e_1581.pdf

    Thus, anyone saying that Il Capitano should have been penalised _after_ nullifying his offside advantage is wide off the mark.

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  • adam |  September 25th, 2007 at 3:45 am

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    Karman, so ur saying that if a player was offside by 20 meters and he receives a pass and scores, but in the referee’s opinion he doesn’t interfere with play its not offside. Karman if u shoot someone dead in the head once or ten times in the heart its still the same crime. and if ur offside by an inch or a mile ur still offside.

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  • Jamil Batcha |  September 25th, 2007 at 3:47 am

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    Adam, 1st of all, I have to ask, who paid Moggi and cut his checks? It certainly wasn’t Roma or Lega Calcio. 2nd, who benefitted from it all? Third, it wasn’t just Moggi, there were two other Juve bigshots who were involved and got the sack. 4th, it’s Italy, everyone knew what was going on the whole time.

    “It’s not Juve’s fault Roma are too cheap.” Very true. However, eyebrows do get raised when half ownership of Miccoli, a very good player as we’ve seen, goes to auction and Juve get him for a paltry 1.5 million euros. Even Cesare Bovo didn’t go that cheap.

    I’ll tell you right now, if Prade and co were involved in half the things Moggi and Co. did, everyone would be on Roma’s ass, and quite frankly so would I.

    Sorry for the rambling, it’s Ramadan and I haven’t eaten anything all day.

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  • Romanista SA |  September 25th, 2007 at 4:18 am

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    Mutu reckons he’s better than Totti.

    LMAO

    He must be high on coke again.

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  • CMP |  September 25th, 2007 at 5:31 am

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    Frontpage of ILROMANISTA ays Totti and Perotta are out of the Fiorentina clash… Crap!

    Come on Vucinic - this is your moment to shine! And a for Perottas position it’ll probably be Giuly. Eventhough it might be tempting to put Giuly on the right, Taddei on the bench, move KA up and have Pizza and De Rossi in the center mid!

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  • The_tuna |  September 25th, 2007 at 5:55 am

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    It amazes me to see some Juve fans still claim that Juve had done nothing wrong. I mean really what more do you need to see? The fact that they’re back in Serie A is a fucking joke.

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  • The_tuna |  September 25th, 2007 at 5:58 am

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    If both Totti and Perrotta are out of this game then I really don’t see us winning tomorrow. Fiorentina are going to be harder to beat than the cheaters were. Vuci get his chance to play as a striker tomorrow, and he better show his worth.

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  • Traian |  September 25th, 2007 at 6:35 am

  • Kamran |  September 25th, 2007 at 6:51 am

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    adam, it’s not my word, it’s an excerpt from Laws of the Game as published by an obscure charity-organization some people like to call FIFA.

    According to them, if a player doesn’t _gain any advantage_ by being an offside position, the referee shouldn’t call an offside “offense”. Shooting in head? That’s the offense, not the “gaining advantage” part.

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  • john |  September 25th, 2007 at 6:53 am

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    we can do with out perrotta. giuly is an adaquat replacement. y do u say that totti is gonna be out? as long as hes fit i say start him.

    as long as fit n not obnoxly tired id alwasys start totti, de rossi, mex, doni, tonnetto, mancini (esp when he gets back to form)

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  • Jamil Batcha |  September 25th, 2007 at 6:54 am

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    Tuna, I would not be so pessimistic. We’ve brought in a fair amount of depth in the off season for such occassions, though our attacking play may be a bit more lacking, I think we can steal a goal on the counter and take it 1-0 if the D holds strong.

    The question is who to put in Perrotta’s place? Giuly? Aquilani? Brighi? Pizarro?

    My thinking is that Giuly will get the nod with Vuci up front, though I would not be surprised to Brighi brought in for solidity allowing DDR to move up a little more and Aquilani in Perrotta’s position. Or to see Pizarro brought back into the fold to help us really maintain possession of the ball. In other words, I really don’t know. Ought to be fun to watch.

    We all knew it was going to be a tough start to the season, and here it is.

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  • Gabriel |  September 25th, 2007 at 7:12 am

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    The truth is we threw away 2 points this weekend, regardless of the refs, etc.

    That being said, if we are a championship caliber team, and indeed, this team has the quality to win the scudetto, La Magica simply needs to shake off the draw and battle in Firenze. I hate to say that it is a “must” win, because it is not, but 3 points midweek, with Inter visiting this weekend makes it as big a match as any other.

    Totti has a thigh strain. They are worried that he will further aggravate the strain and consequently miss out on the Inter and/or Man Poo clash. Clearly a consideration, but to be honest, the way the Viola are playing right now, I’d rather start him against Fio’ and rest him, if necessary, against Inter. That way, assuming we get the 3 points Wed., we will remain alone at the top with the rest of the table still chasing.

    I realise that Inter, while their form has been crap so far, is still Inter and will likely turn it around soon enough. regardless, they haven’t turned the corner yet, and we have handled them fairly well the last few meetings (just look to the green, white and red target on our jerseys for proof of that point).

    I know it’s a tough call, and if Totti is not fit, he’s not fit, so be it. We should beat Fio’ regardless, we are a deeper and better team. If, however, we are resting him just because we are considering the road ahead, I disagree with that.

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  • Lorenzo |  September 25th, 2007 at 7:20 am

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    Its good that Totti and Perrotta are out. They have two very big games coming up against Inter and ManYoo and they need a rest. Vuci is very good and we must have faith in him to do the job, otherwise we are not a team if we rely on one man. As for Perrotta being out, it could be eith Guily or Aquilani who replaces him. Either is great. I have a feeling we will see Cici on the right wing with Panucci at RB.

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  • Lorenzo |  September 25th, 2007 at 7:24 am

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    As for my Taddei “trashing,” I do realize that he does alot of running and work from that position and I acknowledged it 3 times already. I said I like him and I don’t want him out of Roma so please relax. All I said is he has lost the ball more often than he has retained posession of it this year. Watch the games, its true. When he gets the ball, we very seldomly create anything dangerous. I don’t think Spalletti likes to replace him because of the defensive work he does in that position. I understand it, but I would personally rather see Guily in that position (or Cici).

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  • The_tuna |  September 25th, 2007 at 7:29 am

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    Lorenzo I like that cici idea. Taddei needs a rest and this guy needs more minutes. Jam, I don’t think I’m being too pessimistic. I rate Fiore very highly this season, and I anticipate them to be top four. I agree though, Pizarro should start this one, and Guily would replace Perrotta. Now the question is, given his great form, would you leave Aquilani on the bench for this one?

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  • Marco |  September 25th, 2007 at 8:27 am

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    Karman I’m afraid to say you could not be more wrong. Coming back from an offside position the moment the ball is passed, and backtracking even for 20m into your own half before receiving the ball, will still mean you were offside at the moment of the pass. The argument of the type “but it’s not like he was gaining an advantage, he retreated like 5 meters when he received the ball” makes absolutely no sense.

    You guys can twist and turn it any way you like (”spirit of the law”, “gaining an advantage” etc. etc.) but Totti was inequivocably offside on that play.

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  • The_tuna |  September 25th, 2007 at 8:55 am

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    I’m gonna have to agree with Marco on this one. From the looks of it Totti was offsides. Who gives two shits though, it happened once in a blue moon for Roma against the cheaters. How many times have the cheaters gotten a goal off a bad call against us.

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  • 1897 x sempre |  September 25th, 2007 at 9:12 am

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    Now, now, children, i think it’s time you just let it go. ;) There are tons of videos out there proving you tried to cheat… but somehow only tied. (*boo hoo*)

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  • roberto |  September 25th, 2007 at 10:20 am

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    marco, your the only level-headed one in this looney bin

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  • Aaron |  September 25th, 2007 at 12:59 pm

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    romachris…didnt notice that totti was offside? whose paying off the referees now?

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  • Marco420 |  September 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pm

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    coming from you roberto that’s a very apreciated comment
    Thanx

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  • Anthony |  September 25th, 2007 at 4:52 pm

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    It is unfortunate that Totti will be out, but it will be a big test for the team. The team must play much better then they did against Juve. I thought De Rossi was in bad from and outright lazy at times. De Rossi tried not to pressure Del Peiro for some damn reason and P made a great pass to Iaquinta and then Trezeguet scores. De Rossi must do better.

    Roma players like De Rossi and Taddei must play much better. I completely agree with Lorenzo that Taddei played like shit and gave the ball away like an amatuer.

    Fiorentina game is more important than Inter becuase there will be no Il Capitano. If we are to win the scudetto then this game should be a blow-out PERIOD!!! without Totti.

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  • Kamran |  September 26th, 2007 at 2:29 am

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    Marco, I’m sorry to say that it’s not my decision or call to say whether gaining an advantage should matter in offside offense calls or not. It’s FIFA’s decision, and their rules clearly support what I’ve said. If you haven’t checked the PDF document linked in my first comment, let me restate that they’re the Laws of the Game as published by FIFA. Anyone can bitch about loads of things in it, but FIFA makes the rules for Football and they categorically stated in their laws that an offside position should only be penalised for offense if it gives the player an advantage.

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