

Julio Baptista Takes France
By: chris | October 1st, 2008
Bordeaux 1 – Roma 3
Like a fine wine they became better as the time passed, only peaking at the last possible moment. Alright, now that’s over, a little less cheese with your wine analogies. (I can’t stop. I’m sorry.) But seriously, a tale of two teams. When Julio came on for Mssr. Menez, it was as though two subs were made: Julio & a twelfth player named “vigor” – who also brought his half-sister named “Bordeaux’s fatigue”. Yes, it was nice to be facing 10 – a deserved 10 at that – even if Roma tends to make a group of 10 seem as if they’re 20. But I think there was a bit more to this game than just “better team hammers 10 man team in monsoon”. They were shite for 60 minutes, looking as though they’d rather be having a prostate exam from a doctor with the finesse of Marco Materazzi, and then something happened. It all clicked.
Would it have happened without the red? If you’ve watched this team for, oh, more than two weeks, you’ll know they play much better against 11 than 10. Were it not for Henrique, this would’ve been ugly for the French.
MOTM? Hardly a question. Man of the match, man of the hour, Julio Baptista. The free kick which he won followed by the sublime finish; then the steaming run off the ball which had even Simone blushing, and the finish which Simone probably would’ve inexplicably booted over the bar. It was, in essence, everything we’d hoped for from him. Not so much his actual play, but his impact. They needed someone to make a difference, and he certainly did just that.
But it wasn’t a particularly wonderful 90 minutes; if anything a pitiful 60 followed by a euphoric 30. There’s still much to work to do, and it further proves how much the ball bounced in the Roman direction over the weekend. They need to build on this confidence booster and they need to keep people @#$%ing healthy so they can form some sort of team-wide chemistry. But it was so damn glorious because it was familiar. It was dramatic. It was mind bending. It was heart-wrenching. It was joyful. It was infuriating. It was bliss. It was, in a word, Roma.
Group A Standings
Chelsea 4
Cluj 4
Roma 3
Bordeaux 0
Il Tabellino
BORDEAUX (4-1-4-1): Valverde, Chalmè, Henrique, Diawara, Jurietti (33′ st Gouffran); Diarra; Menegazzo, Obertan (40′ pt Planus), Gourcuff, Jussie (37′ pt Wendel); Chamakh. A disp. Olimpia, Ducasse, Cavenaghi, Bellion. All. Blanc
ROMA (4-1-4-1): Doni; Cicinho, Mexes, Panucci, Riise; De Rossi; Taddei, Aquilani (18′ st Okaka), Perrotta, Menez (7′ st Baptista); Vucinic (40′ st Brighi). A disp. Artur, Loria, Filipe, Montella. All. Spalletti
Reti: 14′ pt Gourcuff, 19′ st Vucinic, 26′ st e 38′ st Baptista.
Note: espulso al 36′ pt Henrique per gioco violento.
Ammoniti: Diarra, Panucci, Taddei, Baptista, De Rossi, Chalmè. Recupero: 2′ pt, 2′ st
Arbitro: Alberto Undiano Mallenco (SPA)
Assistenti: Fermin Martinez Ibanez – Ramon Hernandez
Quarto uomo: Carlos Megia Davila
Highlights
Player Ratings
Doni: Gourcuff goal wasn’t his fault, just a fantastic ball. Had little else to do. 6.5
Cicinho: Decent. I think. Today’s Guy Who Escapes Me. 6.5
Mexes: His physical play is top notch and there is no question the Roman back is an entirely different animal when he’s on the pitch. A rock. 7.5
GOMR: Looked almost uneasy at times and was outshone by his French partner in crime. Didn’t score a goal, which is completely inexcusable these days. 6.5
Riise: John’s performance mimicked the team’s: poor in the first half, much improved towards the end of the game. Really liked his attacking runs when he got a bit frisky towards the end, and that free kick was damn close to finding some net. It’s a stepping stone. 6.5
DDR: Not his best, but given that he was questionable leading up to the game, one can hardly blame him. 6.5
Aquilani: Not his best, either. Think it was the hair. 6
Taddei: That assist to Julio was fantastic. Had a few moments of quality, and like half the team, did his thing as the game wore on. An in-form Rodrigo enables this team to do so much more. 7
Perrotta: Like the entire midfield, not his game. They were too easily torn apart at times. 6
Menez: Hardly by surprise had at least 7 men on him every time he touched the ball, Bordeaux obviously knew not to give him an inch of space from his years in Ligue 1. His effectiveness was limited and his substitution enabled Mirko to move out wide. 6.5
Vucinic: Center forward in this system is not his thing, but what’s more is it’s becoming decreasingly so. Obviously with Francesco out some tactics have to change, but Mirko used to drop back and collect more balls Totti-style last year than he does currently. Now it’s a long ball over the top 90% of the time (not necessarily his fault and something which Spal needs to talk to the back line about), half of which he’s offside. Out wide he’s an entirely different player, able to control his and the ball’s fate. Easy solution: get Francesco healthy and all will be glorious. 7
La Bestia: What can you say? He’s arrived. 8
Okaka: Should’ve had one, missed a Simone-esque sitter, and like Vuci is getting caught offside a lot, but he brings an incredibly dangerous threat to the side and even as a decoy, can’t go unmentioned. 7
Brighi: Custodial duties. Though at one point late in the first half I kept thinking “Matteo Brighi is going to earn himself a starting spot if this keeps up“. Perhaps the phenom that was at Juve will arrive, just as an underappreciated late bloomer. N/A
Outlook
The ship hasn’t been righted by a long shot, but if they can get past Siena with three points and head into the int’l break with a three win streak underneath their belt, I’ll feel infinitely more comfortable than I did one week ago. They’re on the right track.
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Pauly for all the reasons above and the fact that he is Roman born.
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Anyone with technical skills, trickery/creativity and a half decent team will tend to have an impact in the EPL. For all their obsession/propaganda re: speed, players who are not the fastest runners can also do extremely well in that system if played properly.
See Deco on song.
Of course, a lot of the flair players want others on the team and a manager who are of a similar mindset, so they may not like it.Posted from
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Dhaw, I know, but I think this OFFTOPICS can be something like archives, where you post funny photos, movies, discuss Roma formation and so on…
It’s just something helping to keep our spam files in an orderly way, making it easier to find them later.
Anyway, I’m going to spam both this place and OFFTOPICS
It’s just not in my nature to refrain from spamming…Posted from
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The difference with Petrucci is that he proved nothing.. He did not even join the primavera squad!! Giovinco was Empoli’s best player last year, lit the Serie A on fire, impressed with the U-21 winning the Toulon tournament’s MVP and putting in a good showing for the Olympics. And for the 2 games he started for Juve he’s been arguably their best player (in the Serie A AND CL). And all he’s asking for is a million according to reports (which I still doubt btw).
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I don’t think Aquilani did enough to warrant 2.5 million yet. He’s having a pretty good season so far. At the end of this year he will definitely deserve that if he stays healthy. But he’s given us 2 great half seasons in the past 2 years. He’s probably missed 6-8 months through injury which is 2/3 or a whole season. One good solid season and pay the man. The problem is it might be too late. I say give him the 2.5 million and get him playing for the shirt again.. he’s a lot happier this year than last that’s for sure.
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I don’t get this Aquilani speculation.
He’s a Nazionale calciatore and whenever he has been healthy he as been excellent. He’s a young prospect still and is Roman born.
2.5 a season is nothing for that IMHO. It’s paying ridiculous wages for guys like Mancini who piss and moan and never show up. Aquilani still puts in performances no matter what crap is spewing from the media.
punto e basta.
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He wants respect and a starting role.
Give it to him.
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The problem with Schnappi is that he still is “a young player with prospects”. Time is ticking and KA is 24 now. The best time to conquer the world…or not…
Methinks, this year will be decisive as for Schnappi’s career. Do hard or die tryin’
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Schappi?
che cazzo
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UCL or UCLA, Pauly? Or is your UK flag deceiving me?
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avala, I think part of the problem is that Aquilani doesn’t really have a natural place in a 4-2-3-1 if Totti’s playing up top. He’d be fine there behind a true striker who runs away from the ball, giving the side ‘profondita” and leaving space in which the trequartista can play. Totti, though, always comes deep into those spaces that Aquilani would enjoy and Aquilani can’t make the runs that Perrotta makes which complement Totti. His best position is probably alongside DDR in a 4-2-3-1, but Pizarro is a much better regista, despite what some might think. In a 4-3-3 or a 4-1-4-1 he’s more suited and he’d be perfect alongside DDR in a 4-4-2 where the wide players played a bit deeper and the midfield two had licence to get up and down a bit more. The best hope is that while Pizza’s injured Spags plays a bit more of this 4-1-4-1 and Aquilani gets to play with Baptista in the middle. Perrotta is magnificent with Totti but half the player without him.
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maro, you really have a hard on for Pizarro?
Does his big ball cough-ups all the time right in front of the defense not bother you? In a fluid formation you want a guy doing that, also slowing down the tempo often?
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Schnappi- das kleine Krokodile

BTW, it’s my turn to say: “NEXT SECTION, guys!!!”Posted from
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Yeah, UL. I don’t know why, but I seem to be able to find it within myself to forgive DDR those two shocking passes he gave away against Reggina. Perhaps it’s because of all the other things he brings to the table. Honestly, UL, with all due respect I don’t think you understand what a regista’s role is. I shall be delighted if you can persuade me otherwise.
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maro,
Did I even mention regista or what the role is? That’s not what we’re debating here.
I asked you if you had a fixation for Pizarro in the line-up or not and you didn’t answer me except for trying to be a smart-ass which is something I notice you’re fantastic for around here.
I was what a regista’s role is.. he is to direct the traffic of play. Pizarro is implemented to install some play-making and to essentially control the tempo, direction, and movement of the game. I’m not a f*cking idiot when it comes to football so don’t treat me like one.
Thanks buddy.
Some players also bring more to the table than what they take away and my assessment or questions regarding Pizarro reflect this. If you can’t answer a question nicely, don’t bother posting.
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Maro you really have a fetish for lil chilian boy looking like man childs.
seriously i see what u mean a bit. but when it comes to assessing his contributions to his negative play, too often his negative play is in the lime light. Hes an ok player starting Brighi and Aqualani above him is a no brainer. you have to understand everything is relative my boy.
Keep up the good work Chris. ur killin it
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A bit sensitive today are we, UL? I imagine it’s hormonal. Do Pizza’s misplaced passes bother me? Naturally. Do I think our formation is fluid? In some ways yes and in some ways no. It is certainly based around a lack of fluidity in the two ‘holding midfielders’ and loads of fluidity further up the pitch. Do I think Pizza’s role in slowing down play at times is important? Absolutely. It strikes me as a critical part of the regista’s ability to read the game.
As for your knowledge of the game – as I said, I shall be delighted if it stretches beyond a few well-known platitudes. There’s little fantastically smart-ass in that observation, I trust.
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Jose, you’re right: in our ‘old’ 4-2-3-1 based around Totti and Perrotta, then it’s a no-brainer. The formation needs a regista and as regista Pizza is so far ahead of Brighi and Aquilani it’s not even funny.
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maro,
Who says that we require a regista all the time? That our formation will not adapt and change to use other’s players abilities to fulfill those needs?
No one here to my knowledge ever considered Brighi or Aquilani as regista, so you must not put words in people’s mouths.
Slowing down the tempo of a match and speeding it up is very important in football and I am not discrediting the role in the game, but I am looking at the qualities of the player we have that is to fill that role.
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I’m not claiming the man is horrible or cannot contribute to the team’s success, but when it mean sacrificing the playing of players such as Aquilani, it does bother me.
Not to mention when we play other less-physical players like Cicinho in the line-up and we’re using our WBs to aggressively attack, we need more cover than just DDR and our CBs against top-notch opponents, something Pizarro cannot provide.
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Sorry, UL, perhaps I needed to have been clearer. In our Totti-Perrotta-based 4-2-3-1 we need a regista, I believe, all the time. Totti as striker needs a trequartista whose natural instinct is to get beyond him rather than to spend his time playing on the ball behind him and with that kind of trequartista you need a regista who can control the play and get on the ball all the time. With a more conventional play-making trequartista, you don’t need a regista in quite the same way.
Of course we can play different shapes and different styles – I seem to remember posting something about Aquilani’s strengths speaking to a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 or a 4-1-4-1. In a 4-2-3-1 with Totti, though, we need a regista.
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I’d like seeing a modified version of a 4-4-2 where DDR-Aquilani have the central spots. I think Aquilani would flourish in the situation and perhaps we will get to see this for Italia.
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It’s interesting, I think, UL, that almost all of the tactical ‘innovators’ of the past 4 or 5 years have moved firmly away from a 4-4-2 to formations based around at least one true anchor-man (I’m thinking here, for instance, of Benitez and his 4-2-3-1 with an Albelda or a Mascherano; of Mourinho with Makelele; of Capello with his two cement-footed holding players; of the way Wenger and Ferguson have their sides playing in Europe; and then of Spags). I suspect it’s a reflection of the athleticism of the modern game and of the defensive organisation of sides which makes the counter-attack even more devastatingly effective. I think, then, that a 4-4-2 with an axis of DDR-Aquilani would be less likely to work than it might have been 10 years ago, though I quite agree that that’s the formation which seems on paper to suit those Romanisti two the best. Take Totti out of the equation and they could flourish, too, in a 4-3-3 or with Aquilani as true trequartista in a 4-2-3-1. As it stands, though, this side is built around Totti’s qualities and Perrotta’s movement and Pizza was brought in as the perfect complement to those two. I also think that people tend not to appreciate quite how hard that regista role is. No doubt Pizza misplaces a few passes every match, but I’d be interested to know the stats of how many passes he averaged in 90 minutes last season and how many, say, Aquilani or Brighi do when playing alongside DDR.
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Guys I know this is late and may have already been mentioned but I love the way La Bestia went over to the Roma supporters/Ultras pounding his hand on his chest after his second goal. Another foreign born Romanista in the making?
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I agree with you maro, but I don’t want to see Aquilani in any other colours.
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