Chivu: You’re Dead To Me

By: chris | July 8th, 2007

131481667_4571819d27_m.jpgChivugate:

Christian, you’re nothing to me now. You’re not a brother, you’re not a friend. I don’t want to know you or what you do. I don’t want to see you at the hotels, I don’t want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won’t be there. You understand?

I’m done really talking about this whole Chivu situation, but in case you missed it yesterday, Victor Becali said that Roma should kneel before Moratti and beg him to buy Chivu:

“La Roma deve venire in ginocchio dall’Inter e cercare di vendere Chivu.”

Agent or not, he still represents the player and his desires. As far as I’m concerned, he might as well be Laziale now. Just get him out as soon as humanly possible. I don’t care if they get €8m and Alvaro Recoba.

The Sunday Finest:

I) Remember when Juan said he couldn’t wait to come to Rome and score goals (Yeah, that Juan)? Well, we got a sneak preview. It wasn’t exactly Messi’s recreation of Maradona ‘86, but it was on the scoresheet nonetheless, and that’s what really counts.

Doni played again as well, with 1 goal conceded. I didn’t see the game, so I can’t comment, but we’ll chalk it up to not exactly being on his toes with a 5 goal lead at the time. I blame the offense for scoring too many goals, not Doniber. Yup, that’s it.

I’m still thinking I may perish via cardiac arrest next year with Doniber in goal. In fact, I’d put 6-1 odds on it. I’d push it to 4-1 whenever he busts out the short-sleeved keeper jersey. I don’t know why, but that thing terrifies me. Is Curci ready yet?

II) So, apparently Roma are interested in Julien Belletti and, to a lesser extent, Sylvinho, even though they didn’t want them to be a part of the Chivu negotiations (don’t ask - couldn’t tell you). Honestly, they’re about the same to me. Both are full backs, and neither are spring chickens. Sylvinho has always impressed me just a little bit more but has a few years on his Brazilian comrade. With Christian Panucci, Marco Cassetti and Max Tonetto as the only true fullbacks on the roster and all on the wrong side of 30, I though the plan was to get younger at that position? Who knows. Sylvinho is unlikely due to the sale of Giovanni van Brockhorst and the subsequent lack of depth on the left side. But if Belletti is released and becomes a free agent as some reports speculate, he wouldn’t be an imprudent move. He still has ability and Roma needs quality depth as cheaply as possible. Oh, and they’re Brazilian - which is the new Italian.

III)
Francesco Modesto still wants Roma, Reggina wants more scrilla. And a correction from yesterday, Reggina is the one that wants the full sale while Roma wants co-ownership. Phew. I thought the world had titled off-axis when it was said Roma wanted full rights and Reggina co-ownership. Worry not. All is right with the world once again.

And would somebody go at least give Rosella a little nudge on the shoulder? Modesto has been throwing pebbles at her window for weeks now but she’s too busy trying to get rid of her lying, cheating boyfriend to realize he’s even there. Somebody get this kid a hug.

IV)
As yesterday with Alessandro Rosina, it’s time to reach back into that short-term memory bank for another name. This time? Ciprian Marica. Apparently there is a “mystery club” in France after his services, and while St. Etienne was rumored to be after him at one point, they have seemingly dropped out. A few reports from France state Roma are still interested, as well as Stuttgart, but that may be speculation based on the previous interest. Still, he is just one of those names that will not go away. Where there’s this much smoke, there’s got to be a least a little fire. Right?

One interesting point is that his contract is up at the end of next season. Due to his obvious talent and his statements of being in favor of a move to Western Europe, his time in Ukraine is likely running out. Shakhtar have to know they would likely lose him on a free next summer and will want to make some money off his sale. His price may not be cheap, per say, but it could be a relative bargain. Especially if Roma wouldn’t exactly be battling G14 names (one: Inter have been interested), though the Stuttgart interest does look very serious - reports state it hinges on whether Ewerthon moves to Germany from Zaragoza. I’m not sure he’s necessary for Roma, but they have been big fans for awhile. Who knows.

For my Romanian speaking brethren (I’m looking at you, Razvan): I’ve seen a few reports with Victor Becali’s and Marica’s names in it. Please tell me VB isn’t his agent. If anyone knows I would greatly appreciate it. And if it is VB, tip-toe very very lightly when you tell me.

V) One of the strikers who was considered a possibility to backup Totti and Mirko Vucinic if Vincenzo Montella leaves, Cristian Rigano, looks headed to Red Bull Salzburg, because he wants to continue playing at a high level.

In Austria? By high level did he mean “I want Red Bull money?” Can’t really blame him, he didn’t make his Serie A debut until very very late, but that’s still pretty funny.

And doesn’t Trapattoni make something like €4-5m to coach Salzburg? Bet that wasn’t about the money.

VI) From Victor Obinna’s wiki:

“I watch all Manchester United matches on TV, I’d do anything to play there one day.”

No thanks. Not that he’ll get there, but no thanks regardless.

I went to the wiki looking to see if he is EU eligible. Anybody know if he is or know of a good website that’s spot on in these matters? Football database can be well behind the times in this regard and the database isn’t all that extensive to begin with. Greatly appreciated.

VII) I’m not much a fan of channel 4’s actual reporting, but their quotes section is usually pretty funny:

“It’s also good luck, as the last player I sold the Giallorossi in a co-ownership agreement was Jonathan Zebina and they went on to win the Scudetto.”
Massimo Cellino seemingly confusing Zebina with the likes of Gabriel Batistuta, Francesco Totti and Vincenzo Montella

Cellino’s like the crazy uncle who you think is drunk 24/7 but is really just completely out of his mind, in a good way. I’m glad to have him around, it makes my life a little brighter.

VIII) Franco Semioli wants Fiorentina and Fiorentina wants Semioli,” explained Corvino when asked about the situation of the Flying Donkey player.

“However, the economic conditions must satisfy us. Still, there is time till the 31st of August and Chievo could give us the go ahead before that date.”

First of all, remember when Semioli had reportedly signed for the Viola all of 12 seconds after the season ended and Chievo was relegated? Well now he’s going to wait until the stroke of midnight on August 31st to sign his name with erasable pen (top 3 invention ever, but that’s an entirely different topic).

Second, can I at least get a trial with Chievo just so that I can consider myself almost an ex-Flying Ass? I’m pretty tall, pretty agile and I set some mean goalkeeping records way back in the day, so I’m fairly positive I could hack it as at least the 17th option between the sticks. Or I could have a Robert Huth-like presence as an emergency striker up top. Meaning I could accomplish absolutely nothing at all.

I need an agent. Where’s Victor Becali when you need him?

IX) Cicinho’s out. Should have to wait about a week or two before those rumors pop back up.



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  • V-SPOT |  July 8th, 2007 at 10:55 am

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    Recoba? Don’t say such things.

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  • RT |  July 8th, 2007 at 11:09 am

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    chris, I’m wondering if you can fill me in on Serie A’s rules regarding non-EU players? I’ve seen a few different versions of it (including in football sims) and feel that the media usually gets it wrong or at least oversimplifies it. I figure it has more to do with how many you’re allowed to sign FROM ABROAD per year (i.e. one) than a set number of slots, as in Spain. This would explain how Inter (not your favorite team, I know) got around this by initially parking players like Julio Cesar and Maxwell at Chievo and Empoli for six months before they joined Inter the following season, because you can seemingly sign as many non-EU players as you want from other Italian clubs. Or perhaps that’s because there is some sort of national quota?

    But I could have it completely wrong. Hopefully you know more about this than I do?

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  • chris g |  July 8th, 2007 at 12:13 pm

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    It is very complicated and it has changed within the last few years I believe (’04?).

    I think it has to do with one new non-EU signing per year on the roster. When it came into effect it had no impact on current contracts, so I think that’s why teams like Inter have been able to get away with having quite a few more. So I think maybe the new referral of “designated” slots is to how many years this has been in practice. I could be completely wrong but I couldn’t even find it on the FIGC regulations site - though when I started to see 92 & 134 page documents I kind of “skimmed.” And by skimmed I mean closed the window.

    I’m not sure if a team can sell off one of the previous signings to open up a slot. I don’t think so, but I could be wrong (which is why Milan said they’d wait before using their non-EU signing to give Sheva a chance to return).

    I don’t know, but the circumstances are just as complicated as getting an Italian passport yourself. I about passed out when I started reading the requirements of documentation to get mine a couple months ago. I’m pretty sure I need like 1200 pages of documentation and my Mom’s frozen DNA, as well as the Holy Grail and a cure for AIDS, then it will take a year to process.

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  • RT |  July 8th, 2007 at 12:52 pm

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    Somehow, it doesn’t surprise me that Italy’s rules would be so confusing (and difficult to research).

    Besides my own curiosity, I was asking because I thought it may not matter (to Roma) if Obinna has EU status, due to a possible distinction between non-EU players already within Italy and those from abroad. But at this point I’m willing to just let the clubs sort it out on their own.

    Thanks chris.

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  • chris g |  July 8th, 2007 at 12:57 pm

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    No prob. Typically not asking for regulations, reasoning, logic or justification from anything involved with Serie A is the best way to go. It’ll save your sanity in the long run.

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  • Vlad |  July 8th, 2007 at 1:42 pm

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    Well, well, it seems as though De Sanctis wants to revoke his contract. I don’t know why, it’s some Fifa loophole thing, but the point is that Udinese now needs a keeper (they didn’t even call him for the summer training). You guys think this might put Roma in a good position to make a last attempt at Quaglia? Curci, anyone?

    Even though at this point I’m in love with Rosina, and he costs less. Ah, Serie A dramas.

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  • chris g |  July 8th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

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    Not at Udinese’s price. Sampdoria would’ve been more realistic to deal with, but Leonardi will want 16m easy, and he has maintained he wants only cash and will then go out and buy his replacements - a la Roma.

    No thanks. I knocked FQ off the wish list after Udinese won le buste. Rosinaldo, on the other hand………

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  • Vlad |  July 8th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

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    Do you think Torino would bite at a half of Obinna plus loan of any young player they want plus 8 mill for Rosina? Maybe Cassetti could be worked into the deal too, if they want him.

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  • Lorenzo |  July 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

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    I doubt Torino would want Cassetti as they already have Comotto (whom they really like), besides, we need Cassetti since we couldn’t land Mesto, Faubert or Cicinho.

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  • chris g |  July 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pm

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    I think Udinese was the team reportedly interested in Cassetti. Torino just picked up a keeper so I’m not sure if they’re still interested in Curci, but I think it would take half Obinna, a loan plus at least 10m. That reported figure of straight 10m earlier in the summer just strikes me as a low estimate.

    I still don’t think they’ll sell though. We all know the media can be fairly behind the times with rumors. I wonder if the sale of Galloppa’s half was Roma conceding defeat in their attempts to sign Rosina.

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  • Vlad |  July 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

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    Ok guys, tell me if I’m crazy. Let’s say after the Chivu deal we end up with around 19m to spend (Chivu, Galloppa, and Faty money). We buy half of Modesto or whoever else for the LB position (3m Euro), and for the LW position we invest 16m on none other than Arjen Robben. If you think about it it’s not that far-fetched, he was bought by Chelsea from PSV for 18m in 2004, when a lot more money was spent on players (see: Samuel for 25m to Real), and Robben has not had too much playing time there, also because of his many injuries. Thus, for 16m it can be done in my opinion. Well, that’s my crazy little plan, doubt it will ever happen, but it’s nice to imagine him at Spalletti’s disposal.

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  • Vlad |  July 8th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

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    Plus, Chelsea just bought Malouda for 20m, no space for Robben

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  • $+efan |  July 8th, 2007 at 3:36 pm

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    Now I heard Roma want Giuseppe Rossi which is a good idea but whenever Roma are intrested in someone good a team like milan has to screw up for us. I was looking forward for Cicinho coming to Roma but that a$$ face Schuster said hes not going anywhere. I just hope Roma get atleast 3 good players when this transfer market is over.

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  • chris g |  July 8th, 2007 at 3:39 pm

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    Love Robben, but he doesn’t strike me as the type of guy who would want to play anywhere but Milan, Bayern, Real, Barca, Chelsea or Juventus. Only the biggest of the big. That and he’d cost 20m minimum on talent alone. If he can stay healthy there’s no shortage of people who think he can be the best player in the world. Then there’s the wage structure. I’d ballpark the chances at zero.

    He’s likely headed to Real anyway.

    As far as Cicinho goes, the last I heard Bernd Schuster was still under contract to Getafe and they weren’t planning to let him out cheaply and Real wasn’t willing to pay a single euro for him. That one’s not a slam dunk either. I don’t think the Cicinho door has been boarded up yet.

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  • Vlad |  July 8th, 2007 at 3:41 pm

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    I figured. Oh well, we better get at least one world-class winger before this mercato is over though. I’m starting to get worried.

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  • Linda |  July 8th, 2007 at 10:23 pm

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    Funny thing about Arjen Robben: life-long Barca fan, just like his dad. So if he goes to Real the interviews could be hilarious. (Bless the Dutch.)

    Anyway, the reason Giuly’s ‘turned down’ all those clubs isn’t that he really wants to stay. He’s trying to force a free transfer, since Barca told him he was surplus to requirements a while ago and have been flogging him at 5 million euros, but if he goes for free he’d get a higher salary. That’s the dispute.

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  • Marco420 |  July 8th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

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    i know this has nothing to do with anything but…

    i’m pretty sure Roma Only bought half of Vucinic.
    Or he’s on some 5 year payment plan or something

    this what CDS had to say this morning
    La società giallorossa gli ha ribadito la sua fiducia, prima mettendo nero su bianco con il Lecce tre milioni e set­tecentocinquantamila euro per riscat­tare la prima metà del cartellino

    i guess we only own half of Vucinic

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  • george |  July 9th, 2007 at 4:10 am

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    lets get fred from lyon!! it turns out he had a reason for elbowing mr. chivu in the face!!

    fred to roma!!! he’ll be a real romanista………

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  • george |  July 9th, 2007 at 6:53 am

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    guys, i just read an article about mr. chivu, he is now like crying that he wants to stay in rome and that they shafted him on the money issue. i guess he feels robbed or something.

    with all that has happened does he actually think he could stay in rome?? is he nuts??

    dont get me wrong, if it was the chivu we knew a couple of months ago, the one that we thougt was a romanista then i would be salavating at the formation of
    pannucci juan mexes chivu , who wouldnt?? but now??

    mr. chivu, buddy, you made your bed, now sleep in it

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  • Corey |  July 9th, 2007 at 7:17 am

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    fred is not leaving, he is currently injured and he wont be able to play till late september at the earliest. lyon wont sell him trust me, they have sold enough players this summer.

    i agree with you chris, faty will be a hell of a player but a two year loan just seems extreme, its like take him away, and in two years we will sell him for a huge profit if he develops if not, he is shit out of luck cause his contract will expire.

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  • billiverdin |  July 9th, 2007 at 7:35 am

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    guys don’t even dream about big signings on chivu money. be sure we will buy modesto obinha (half or loan) beletti and semioli ( or someone like). it will be all our money. roma have never spend more than 6 millions for one player. so forget about robben fred quags and maybe even rosina. this is roma politic - don’t buy expensive players because we have a very big defficit of money ( remember transfers of bati chivu emerson samuel ) so nearly 5 years we won’t be able to buy any stars. and when we will cover this defficit maybe we start signings like not big but good clubs. so spaletti is very strong coach because he makes result with little money. our politics now is finding talanted guys and selling them in twice price or even more ( remember mancini?).

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  • Jeff |  July 9th, 2007 at 7:40 am

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    Guys,
    It looks like Chivu will either go to Inter or will wait out his last year then we loose him on a free. This according to his agent, so don’t count on any big money influx to spend.

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  • Lorenzo |  July 9th, 2007 at 7:51 am

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    I read a couple of interesting articles that suggest that Chivu may not be the big bad wolf we are making him out to be. The first article directly accuses the Becali’s of holding Chivu hostage in this whole mess. http://www.iltempo.it/approfondimenti/index.aspx?id=1232618

    Very interesting considering that in this article, http://sport.alice.it/it/cmc/calcio/200728/cmc_111611.html Totti states that he has spoken with Chivu and although he doesn’t want to get involved in anyone’s business, he states that he thinks that in major deals like this one, players should be more involved.

    Sounds like Chivu may not be the one behind any of this after all. He may be the only innocent party in this whole mess. We all know that Roma didn’t approach him for an extension when they should have. We all know Roma low-balled him with an offer. The only thing we don’t know from Roma’s standpoint is whether they ever really intended to keep him or sell him (Juan was already house hunting in Rome months ago). We all know that Moratti approached and dealt with Chivu/Becali behind Roma’s back. We all know that Becali is trying to hold everyone hostage for their own benefit. It may just be that Chivu is the innocent bystander here and that his only fault is not being more bold and personally involved in the deal himself (which may be culturally unacceptable for him, who knows?)???

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  • chris g |  July 9th, 2007 at 8:06 am

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    Unless FIFA has vastly different rules than the rest of the world, he’s still the one making the decisions. The agent can’t legally force him into a contract unless there is a clause with his agent’s contract, but if there was I doubt FIFA would’ve let the Becali brothers slide so many times before. It seems like more of the intimidation factor than actually controlling things. I’ve seen plenty where the agent fucks over the player financially in terms of future revenue, but not one dictating where he signs.

    My feeling has been Chivu doesn’t actually know everything that is happening, and may have been somewhat manipulated. However, he’s still responsible for putting pen on paper and could’ve avoided all this by signing with Madrid.

    I’d love to get a hold of a Becali contract to see what it’s actually like. I don’t understand how they could have that much control and still slide by with FIFA, but that has to be some seriously clever lingo.

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  • Jamil Batcha |  July 9th, 2007 at 8:31 am

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    According to the ever reliable goal.com, Mexes and Chivu were supposed to be given the same deal and that’s what management said and it didn’t happen.

    Chivu could also just be a dumb jock who’s manipulated easily…

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