Saturday School: Chaos Theory 101

By: Chris | June 23rd, 2007

593695463_5646122571_m.jpgDisclaimer: I could be way off base here, but I’m going to theorize for the sake of theorization. So, if you disagree, go yell at someone else, like Robert Mugabe or that creepy guy who continually calls you up 12 seconds after you step out of your car because your car lights are on even though they’re on a 30 second timer. Yeah, go yell at that guy. Or the French.

(Doesn’t that graph of the Lorenz attractor make this page look studious? Kind of like a textbook page? Don’t worry, I’m going to do my very best not to say anything intelligent, shouldn’t be a problem. Also, I’m pretty sure I drew that same exact picture when I was in pre-school with crayons in my nose and then rediscovered it in one of my $862 college textbooks. What a scam.)

Chaos Theory:

So, if Thierry Henry is worth €24m, does that mean the rest of Europe just had their value drop by about 50%? I know he’s 29 but, for my money and many other’s, he’s simply the best striker in the world. Il Capitano may have won the Golden Boot, but Titi is on his own planet (I may have a slightly unhealthy man-crush on Totti but I’m not dumb - always). I couldn’t imagine he’d go for anything less than €30-35m, despite his age - he has at least 3-4 world class seasons in him. So, either Arsenal got screwed here or there’s a lot more to this deal than is being let on, like a Giovanni dos Santos and/or Bojan Krkic going the other way (because we all know about Arsene Wenger’s pedophilia youth scheme). There is no way in hell Titi is less valuable than Franck Ribery. For comparative purposes, Zinedine Zidane was sold for €66m at the same age. Anybody willing to take on the argument that Zizou was almost 3x the player Henry is at the same age? I understand the market was inflated at that time (see: Antonio Cassano for €28.5m), but still - even twice the player is a big stretch. There are still a lot of people outside of London and France who consider Henry to be the best player in the game, or at least a candidate. For current comparison: Nani & Anderson cost €25m each, Florent Malouda will cost the same, Ribery cost €26m, and Mahamadou Diarra cost €28m last year. Then there’s Andriy Shevchenko, who cost €44m for lesser production* at the same age one year ago. Anybody taking any of that crew over Thierry Henry for the next four years? Not a chance here. Before you argue their ages, how many do you think will be with the same club in four years? One? Maybe two? Some people will say €24m is a fair price, but I can’t really see it.

I’m not sure how this affects the market, but a lot of clubs are going to start rethinking some player valuations. That includes Barca and the dealings with Christian Chivu. They may have lost Puyol but I could absolutely see them walking in there and saying, “we just paid €24m for Thierry Henry. Here’s €13m. Your move.” And there isn’t a whole lot Roma could say. Christian is only 3 years younger than Titi and he isn’t even within arm’s length of Henry’s class. I could be wrong but I really feel a ripple effect across the board right now, provided the numbers are correct. (Anybody else dreaming of Julien Faubert for €5m?)

Regarding Barca, there’s also the scenario where Real Madrid might jump into the fray to at least drive the price up, or even as a backup plan in case their first options (which Chivu doesn’t seem to be anymore) fail to pan out. Or out of spite, as they can’t be too happy about a lineup featuring Ronaldinho, Messi, Henry and Eto’o from their rivals, which would throw a wrench into things. But that’s a conspiracy theory for another day. I have a theory that it’s not good practice to incorporate more than one theory a day into a post.

* - Both Sheva and Henry arrived at the clubs where they made their names in 1999. Over the past eight years, the goal totals:
Sheva: 134 goals - includes last year with Chelsea
Henry: 174 goals

That basically means Chelsea will get 5 less goals on average per year than Barcelona will from Henry, for nearly twice the cost. I didn’t look at assist totals, but it doesn’t take a pro scout to see that Henry is a phenomenal passer and likely tops Sheva in total performance, not just goals.

Ah, chaos is beautiful - isn’t it?

Chivugate (Spark Notes Version):

Barcelona in Rome yesterday. Preliminary talks. Prade spoke of meeting next week. No offer. €12m plus Giuly & Belletti is a bunch of crap. See: Salary structure. Cash only.

We done here? I’m ready for Chivu to be sent to Lokomotiv Moscow for a Matryoshka doll, an autographed picture of Mikhail Gorbachev and six rubles. I’m pretty sure at this point I’d settle for a forged signature too.

Though if Giuly came he could stand on Pizarro’s shoulders and they could form a whole person.

The Et Cetera:

I) It looks as though Sampdoria have taken themselves out of the running for Vincenzo Montella due to his whopper of a contract. His salary alone would cost them roughly three-quarters of the sum they just got off Udinese in le buste, so it’s not exactly a shocking revelation. There is some big doubt that L’Aeroplanino will stay in Rome next season, but it’s going to be hard to find somebody willing to pay that contract, especially at a club of the level that his form dictates at this point in his career. The best possible chance was a deal with ‘Doria where Roma took on a big chunk of his salary in a deal for Fab Quags, but that’s out the window.

At this point it’s anybody’s guess, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a repeat of last season where he spends the first half of the season with Roma and is then loaned out in January. It just looks like all the injuries and age have caught up with him at this point. For all the service he’s given to the Giallorossi, I would be thrilled to see him given a farewell tour as he rides off into the sunset. Anybody who nets 4 against Lazio deserves at least that much.

For all the non-Italian speaking ladies in the crowd, Totti’s shirt in that video said ’sei unica’ (sei also means 6), which means ‘you are unique.’ It was a message to the girl he just started dating, Ilary, who is now his wife. Can we get a collective, “awwwwwwwww.”

II) Failed to mention this yesterday regarding the Juan signing, but as a part of the deal Roma will play Bayer Leverkusen in a friendly on July 29th in Germany. I bet that was the deal closing factor.

III) Franco Semioli’s agent has declared that his indecisive winger will finally know more about his future on Monday, and Fiorentina or Roma will be his destination. Don’t feed into the lies, people. Unless his agent meant Monday July 23rd, 2046.

Honestly, I like Semioli despite his flip-flopping - I’m just having fun. I think he’s a class winger. I would be happy if he wound up at Roma, especially considering the rumors peg his fee as very fair. However, I’d take Faubert over Semioli 8 days of the week, and you know how I feel about the French. Faubert can take his game to that next level where he could be a world-class winger in the near future, and I really question whether Semioli can do the same. I’m hoping Franco is Firenze-bound, but he has made no attempt in the past to keep his love for the Giallorossi secret. I guess we’ll just have to wait until Monday. Or maybe not.

IV) Speaking of Faubert, I read on the website of a Bordeaux newspaper (the town) from Tuesday that the French club and Roma will get together this weekend to negotiate over Faubert again. It has also been reported by bigger websites (though I do trust sources with a print edition a skosh more than just web-based outfits), so this may have some legs. It implied that the two sides were fairly far apart in terms of Bordeaux’s end (which we knew), but that a deal was very possible. Bordeaux still want €10m, but Roma have yet to come past €5m. I’m hoping the Barcelona talks cleared up a little bit more of the financial picture and if Roma can bring the offer up to €7-8m, that should at least make Bordeaux think long and hard.

A few other French publications reported that Julien has stated that he and Roma have come to an agreement on a four year contract. Now, getting in general vicinity is one thing. Having agreed in principle on numbers is another thing. But knowing the specific length of a contract implies that there’s a fountain pen open somewhere waiting for this to get done. Everything I’ve read from France either implies or surmises that Julien wants Roma first and foremost, and that he’s being shown similar love in return (group hug). Otherwise, he would likely be in the Premiership right now. I’m trying not to get my hopes up, but it seems like all parties want this deal done. Well, except Bordeaux, but they don’t really have a choice because Faubert has asked out.

This whole merry-go-round of right wingers/backs has got my head spinning completely out of control. Would somebody get me Adrian Mutu’s phone number? Or Bobo’s? Or Flachi’s? Or (even better), where’s Marco420 when you need him?

Wait, on second thought, hold up those transfer rumors. Check out his nationality. Umm, that may put up some red flags. Maybe that’s why Roma was only bidding €4m. Hey, if Cristiano Ronaldo can play, why not Julien?

V) The article in that same paper mentioned a couple other names as back-up targets should Roma not acquire Faubert. One is our old-buddy Cicinho, and the other is another blast from the past, albeit not as omnipresent, Francois Clerc. You may remember those Mancini to Lyon rumors from a few weeks back, which we largely dismissed as nonsense, and rightfully so. But apparently, the rumor says that when Roma called about Clerc, Aulas asked about a deal involving Mancini. Not sure if that was the end of the conversation, but it’s just another name to add to the smorgasbord of player’s already linked somewhat legitimately. I like Clerc, but I don’t know anyone who likes dealing with Aulas unless they have to. Not happening. As for Cicinho, I’m still thinking he is a great possibility. But who knows anymore. The whole transfer season was flipped upside-down after Roma started conducting good business.

VI) Roma should be wrapping things up with Francesco Modesto fairly soon, they just have bigger fish to fry at the moment. Reggina’s management have been continually speaking to various radio programs regarding this, and I have no clue as to why. They seem a little antsy to get rid of him. A tad worrisome, as any team needs good young defenders.

VII) Torino have stated that they will not be selling Alessandro Rosina, what a shocker, and that a swap with Roma for Mirko Vucinic will not be happening. They’re still interested in Mirko but Roma nixed that quite quickly. No Rosinaldo, no Vucinic. Oh well, start praying for Faubert.

* - Just saw that Faubert and Rangers are close. But for €6.5m? Roma can’t scare up that much cash really quickly? I’m questioning this. And who the hell wants to play in Scotland? No offense, but he’s too good.

I’m really questioning this now. He’s turning down Roma, Fiorentina, Milan and Arsenal for fucking Glasgow Rangers? That’s like turning down a date with the cheerleading squad in high school to go out with the fat chick on the chess team. Until I see a signed contract I don’t buy it.

Rumor has it Daniele Prade jumped into thhe fray to trump that €6.5m offer. Looks like Bordeaux got exactly what they wanted, something to drive the bidding up.





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  • Francesco |  June 23rd, 2007 at 7:53 am

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    TuttoMercatoWeb reports today the Faubert is close to signing with Rangers.

    http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=64179

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  • Jeff |  June 23rd, 2007 at 9:03 am

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    Henry over Totti? Get real son

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  • Chris |  June 23rd, 2007 at 9:07 am

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    I didn’t say as a player, I said as a striker. Big difference.

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  • FJ |  June 23rd, 2007 at 9:48 am

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    So were interested in signing a Frenchwoman!?! What has the world come to?

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  • Martha |  June 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 am

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    Prices actually DROPPING in football? Look out for flying pigs.

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  • shehan |  June 23rd, 2007 at 10:49 am

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    chris, stop hating on fat chicks…

    if roma gets faubert, you guys would be ready for next season i think, his speed is phenomenal. just imagine totti’s through-balls being chased by faubert; could be a deadly combination…

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  • Marco420 |  June 23rd, 2007 at 11:13 am

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    From what some Girondins fans around me have said Faubert can also defend well… he’s the total package with a huge upside

    Forza Roma!

    Kudos Chris, great work as always!

    ps: if you say my name in the mirror 3 times i appear…like candyman….

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  • Chris |  June 23rd, 2007 at 11:22 am

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    Thank you thank you

    Marco, I’m pretty sure Faubert can play RW/LW or RB/LB, he’s the total package. Complete stud.

    And as for the fat chicks, I kid because I love.

    Also, I skimmed over and article and missed that Reggina are demanding 6 million euros for Modesto. Six!

    And Fab Quags is telling anybody and everybody that he wants to play in Rome next to Totti. This is like one of those fairly tales where the good guy (Roma) doesn’t get the princess (Fab Quags) because the evil step-parent (Pietro Leonardi) marries them off to some sultan’s son (Juve) even though the good guy and the princess are madly in love. It’s a tragedy for sure.

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  • Inara |  June 23rd, 2007 at 12:25 pm

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    Umm, about Faubert signing with Rangers…well, not to be negative about Julien, but he can be a mercenary sometimes. Plus Bordeaux are desperate for cash as they won’t get CL money next year.

    That being said, I agree. Rangers is a stupid place for technical footballers. I was SO sad when Jeremy Clement went there, but now he’s back in France.

    Why hasn’t Roma made a move on Cicinho yet? I remember hearing about this last fall when the poor guy injured his knee. And he wouldn’t even be that expensive, plus Real Madrid want to offload him too.

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  • Chris |  June 23rd, 2007 at 1:01 pm

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    I’m fairly sure that if Faubert goes to Rangers it’s a lot more about Bordeaux than Julien. Milan and Arsenal were in the hunt and, though Rangers might have some money, they can’t compete with those two in terms of wages. The agent made it clear it was Roma who needed to get the business done, Julien was happy with his end. I think this is more of a case of Roma trying to be cheap than any mercenry status (not that I doubt you). But reports are saying that Prade called up Bordeaux and offered 7m after this morning’s reports. That could get it done. I still think this was an accidentally on-purpose leak by Bordeaux to get his price up.

    From what I’ve read also, JF went to the management immediately after Bordeaux was knocked out of the CL for next year. That’s supposedly his main motivation. Of course, it was Luca Toni’s too.

    As for Cicinho, it went like this:
    a. Cicinho stated he wanted to move to Rome and only Rome (he nixed a deal last summer that would’ve sent him to Sevilla and Dani Alves to Madrid. I’m sure Real is thrilled with him for that)
    b. Real Madrid blocked the move (prolly because they wanted a chip in case they jumped in for Chivu)
    c. Cicinho came out and said if Capello stays he wants to stay
    d. Don Fabio has been doing what he does by alienating himself from the management at Real

    So who the hell knows. I think all the confusion has kept Roma at a distance, and they’ve been waiting to see how things unfold later in the summer. I still think there’s a good chance he ends up in Rome. Faubert and Cicinho on one wing rotating back and forward with each other? Oh my. Almost definitely won’t happen, but I can dream.

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  • Martha |  June 23rd, 2007 at 1:18 pm

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    Dude, I am not seeing all the Quagliarella-love-Roma stuff you are. I mean, in Il Romanista, yeah, but like he’s going to tell them he wants to go to Man U. The man ain’t stupid. Are you seeing it anywhere else, beyon quotes from that Il Romanista interview(s)?

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  • Martha |  June 23rd, 2007 at 1:23 pm

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    And there’s also this, in which he lavishes love on Juve. I’m pretty sure he’s just telling everyone what they want to hear, trying to charm himself a deal whenever he can.

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  • Chris |  June 23rd, 2007 at 1:33 pm

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    I saw that stuff too, this was from this morning:

    Quagliarella: Resta l’obiettivo con la “O” mauiscola. La sfida con l’Udinese è aperta. Verrebbe a Roma molto volentieri, in Friuli non vuole stare. «Io resto a Udine? a Trigoria? Mai dire mai. Giocare con Totti? Sarebbe un sogno».

    I mean, the guy’s a whore. What can you say? I’d be very ok with him going to Juve, I’d like to keep the best Italians in Serie A. Being reminded of Esposito (16goals from the wing) and the ridiculous hype behind him has me wary of the pricetag again. There’s still a big risk factor involved. Faubert or Semioli are pretty sure things for fairly cheap money.

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  • Michele |  June 23rd, 2007 at 1:43 pm

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    Almost every single Italian linked with Roma has stated that playing alongside Totti is a dream. I remember Tavano saying it back in January. Anyway, I think it’s bullshit, or just to get someones attention.

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  • JT |  June 23rd, 2007 at 2:19 pm

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    There is simply no way that Rangers can afford the transfer fee that is being reported for Faubert, much less the wages that he’s could get from any of the other clubs that are being mentioned. Rangers are a club in financial crisis, to my glee, and have been offering clubs pretty insulting offers for their targets.

    Inara, I’m the last guy you’ll find defending Rangers, but I’m thinking that saying “Rangers is a stupid place for technical footballers” is just an ridiculous statement. They, along with the SPL, have always produced and continue to come up with technically gifted players on a consistent basis. And every once in a while they play some good football too.

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  • Inara |  June 23rd, 2007 at 2:48 pm

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    JT, sorry if I offended, but compared to Italy, France, and Spain, the SPL can’t compete in terms of the quality of technical play, though it is a physically tougher league that requires quicker thinking. Faubert, if you’ve ever seen him, would be more at ease in a team that is more tactically reliant (I don’t think he’d do well in the EPL either).

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  • Linda |  June 23rd, 2007 at 4:10 pm

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    I think the fact that Real have been slow on Chivu is more due to the confusion over who their manager for next season is going to be than a lack of interest. (Ever seen a club in so much chaos right after winning the title?) And as you said, he’s not one of their first choice options.

    On the Barca front, Soriano - who does all our transfers - has been busy with Henry stuff since he got back from Rome, but I guess now that one’s done he’ll be submitting a proper offer for Chivu soon.

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  • Chris |  June 23rd, 2007 at 5:41 pm

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    There’s a rumor that the deal between Barca and Chivu will be finished by Monday or Tuesday, and there is a very likely chance that Chivu is already gone. For the Serie A version of Christian, I’m upset. For the CL Christian, I think it was the right call. I’m not sure he has that extra notch to take it to the level of the greats for that one game. But he’s great for for 30-35 league games. He makes a big difference there, his skill set is so versatile. For a CL Final? Eh.

    If Real hasn’t contacted Roma by now regarding Chivu, then they’ve resigned themselves to the idea that he’ll wind up at Barcelona. I’d be surprised if they hadn’t, but who knows.

    As for the SPL, I agree with both Inara and JT. There are certainly some quality players who have honed their skills in Scotland, but it isn’t the place for a guy like Faubert. He’s really too good. I’m surprised more of the world hasn’t caught onto him yet. I blame Domenech.

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  • george papas |  June 24th, 2007 at 4:54 am

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    for me there are 2 deals for christian chivu

    1) a boat load of money from barca

    2) or lots of money and cicinho from real madrid

    i really think chivu is a good player but this was really the first season in which he didnt get hurt, this guy lets not forget is made of glass, gets injured very easily.

    we got juan, hopefully we can get another good defender and a great right wing, quaglierella would be great but it aint happening.

    so far very good off season moves by roma, at last!! keep it up

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  • Zach |  June 24th, 2007 at 7:03 am

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    yeah faubert must have a bad astrological sign ..

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  • Chris |  June 24th, 2007 at 11:01 am

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    100% with you george on everything you said, including those two deals. Though Cicinho + cash is my #1. I really think he was born for the Spalletti system.

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